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|    Ilya Shambat to All    |
|    No, it is not in the eye    |
|    13 Aug 23 04:10:16    |
      From: ibshambat@gmail.com              One saying I hear all the time is “beauty is in the eye of the beholder.”       That saying deserves to be taken out and shot. True beauty takes talent and       effort to produce and deserves respect.              One of the most ridiculous statements I've heard comes from followers of       Taoism, who think that creating beauty as a concept also creates ugliness.       Foolishness all around. Beauty existed before I existed or recognized it; it       will continue existing long        after I'm gone.              How many girls get traumatized through coercion toward beauty? Some very well       may be that, but they do not own traumatization. There are all sorts of things       that are good in themselves that can be used for wrong. That someone gets D's       does not mean that        nobody can get A's, and that some people are poor does not mean that nobody       can get wealthy. It is wrong to equate beauty to the abuses of beauty by       stupid teenagers and unethical plastic surgeons. Doing that gives such people       way too much credit. Beauty        existed long before such things existed; it will continue existing long after       they are gone.              If the society does not value beauty, there will be no demand for beauty. The       people who create beauty will either go starving or have to do something else.       I judge it wrong that America, with 300 million people and per capita GDP of       $45,000 a year, does        not have art comparable to that of Renaissance Italy, with 3 million people       and per capita GDP of $1500 a year. America should have 300 Sistine Chapels.       The only reason that it does not is that it does not value beauty or the arts.              Some people see beauty as stupid and shallow. There is nothing stupid or       shallow about the Sistine Chapel. There is nothing stupid or shallow about the       works of Keats and Akhmatova. There is nothing stupid or shallow about the       Burmese stupas. All these        are amazing accomplishments, and they deserve respect.              Well what about the bad behavior of the “don't hate us because we are       beautiful” people? These people's problem is not that they are beautiful but       that they are jerks. I once tried to approach such women in conversation, and       they responded with “we        don't talk to trash.” Their problem was not that they were beautiful. Their       problem was that they were horrible people. Whereas I've known any number of       women who were both beautiful and good people. It is wrong that such women be       punished for the sins        of jerks.              Beauty, itself, is innocent of misdeeds of stupid teenagers or unethical       plastic surgeons. These people do not own beauty, nor do they deserve to be       given credit for something that existed long before they existed and that will       continue existing long        after they're gone. Beauty is a good quality, and it should be respected as       much as any other good quality such as intelligence or being a good person. Do       not equate something with its abuses. See it for what it is in itself.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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