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|    Thoughts about widening gap between LEFT    |
|    17 Aug 23 11:48:21    |
      From: rdh11.rh@gmail.com              There is an obvious widening disconnect going on between the right and left,       to the point now, when one side gains power, the other side 'feels'       oppressed. Both sides use the word 'fascist' now, to describe the leanings of       either, inculcating both        Hitlerian and Bolshevik marxism imagery as descriptors either would use to       describe the other.               Something is going on. I think we all 'FEEL" it. Our spidey senses [as it       were] are 'tingling' that something is in the air; a change; a chasm       where...well, the side that 'wins' out at the cultural level, will most likely       annihilate the other. It may        even descend into far more dangerous violence and conflict [we all hope that       doesn't happen]. War is a terrible thing, but Civil War a far worse chaos,       where the enemy is unseen, living among you...and no one really knows who to       fight [at least in early        stages]; as like in the Soviet Revolution circa 1918, staying neutral was       often a death sentence if the wrong army showed up on any given day [and there       were several armied factions]. Civil wars are terrifying times when every       woman, child, and man        exist on the battlefield [sic].              In trying to understand the root of this NEW discord, mainly in the west, many       analysts point to things like Identity politics [on the left], Populism and       nationalism [on the right], and a growing 'progressivism' [so called] that, in       it's march to demand        inclusion to the nth degree, threatens overturn of many [if not all] old world       traditions, mores, and even morals...as being products of systemic racism or       masculine patriarchy...and a general 're-education' of the citizenry into the       Marxist approach to        life as being totally and forever...a STRUGGLE of the OPPRESSED vs the       OPPRESSORS.               Each 'Identified' group under this new world 'perception' of ourselves, have       their own agenda for self aggrandizement and come uppence, but all come       together as a general army [on the LEFT] to 'tear' down the structures that       now exist, to erect...well,        each group probably has their own idea, their own agenda on what exactly 'to       erect'. And under the Marxist model, the struggle for dominance would       theoretically continue [the next OPPRESSOR then becoming the gunsights of       everyone else, supposedly        oppressed].               If one thinks through this new LEFTIST proposition now gaining traction in the       world [even again], one would think the general flaw would be apparent? There       is no end point! This model offers no peace, no tranquility, no essential       ultimate goal...but        ONLY struggle; ONLY war...ONLY an endless pitting of Humanity against itself;       one tyrant after another on into memoriam. Oppressed versus the Oppressor.        A story without END.               While this describes well the LEFT today and their descent into IDENTITY       politics [as a rehash of this old critical theory of Oppressed vs       Oppressor]...what, other than the resistance to change, might hold the RIGHT       together? Is it just Sarte's 'wagon        wheel' ruts of our minds where we tend to follow our parents their       parents...creating simple traditions that were mostly stewed in the fat of       myth and mystery [ie without injection of science and all we now know].               Or...could there be a deeper understanding of this widening gap today?               FREEDOM versus EQUALITY?       If one looks at the root of most of what drives the LEFT...they might find at       the base 'reasoning' is the idea of EQUALITY. From wealth accrual, classism,       racism, and gender ideology...one could argue that the real pursuit of any       'identified' faction is        EQUALITY...simply to be accepted, known, and respected as the highest level       [whatever that might be]. By the nature of how western civilization was       created, and the cultural dominance that civilization has enjoyed, that       highest level [or respect and        acceptance] becomes...well, white males. Tearing down any barrier that       protects 'that' class...has become the essential agenda of the LEFT [for       now]...on their march. Socialism [often predicated as the TRUE objective]       ultimately is to tear down any        wealth that white males accrued in that civilization, redistributing it in       various fashion [breaking of glass ceilings for instance, or reparations, or       simply erradicating capitalism]...ergo, re-designing all things toward a more       equal outcome. EQUALITY.       ..the goal.               Of course, the other VALUE that seems to counter this argument is       FREEDOM...and was the essential founding value that America was built upon       [it's corner stone]. To create a new EQUAL society, force is often used       [especially to tear down barriers]...and        the obvious collision against that corner stone...FREEDOM. The RIGHT       essentially fights for FREEDOM [to remain as much so as possible] while on the       LEFT, the essential struggle is to create a more EQUITABLE society. FREEDOM vs       EQUALITY. It's not an        easy question really, as most human beings would relate heavily to either one       [as an iDEA, a VALUE]. We ALL want to be EQUAL [certainly no one wants to be       declared or FEEL as UNequal]...and we all want to also be FREE. But what do       we do when these        values CLASH; where, one must be chosen over the other? It's not an easy       question; and we all have trouble making the assessment...and descend on a       case by case basis.               HOMO SAPIENS vs. HUMAN BEING       Now, this argument is a harder one to make. Most of us equate the two terms       as synonyms...one equaling the other. But are they?               Science has brought us a long way. We surely DO have domain over all other       creatures on this planet [for the moment anyway]. One of the mainstays of       science is our ability to REASON, to use LOGIC, and then to think critically.        This means being        OBJECTIVE. In fact, we differentiate the 'irrational' from the rational, and       science being the PRODUCT of total rationality [even to the point we often       disdain irrationality].                      [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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