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|    Ilya Shambat to All    |
|    Immigration and honesty    |
|    27 Aug 23 18:04:31    |
      From: ibshambat@gmail.com              I have heard it any number of Americans say that many immigrants think that       they are better than Americans. I recommend the American thing to do: See it       from their side.              Say you are 12, and you come from the former Soviet Union. You have put a vast       effort into your education. You have been doing 4 hours of homework every day.       You have been learning all sorts of advanced material that is very difficult       to learn. You have        better work habits – and more ambition – at age 12 than many people do       when they are adults.              Then you come to America. The people there have put in nowhere nearly the same       effort as you have into their education. They think that your knowledge is       worthless. They think that you are a know-it-all or worse. They think that the       only thing that        matters in life is common sense and social skills. How are you going to react       if you are 12?              In my adult life, I have had to separate the legitimate from the illegitimate.       It is legitimate to be angry at people who have not put the same effort as you       have but treat you like dirt. It is not legitimate to feel malice to a whole       country, even if        you are Jewish and the country is Germany or if you are Iranian and the       country is Israel or the United States. I have long since gotten rid of the       malice, largely as a result of the input of many other people, some of whom       were trying to be helpful and        some who were not. This then makes it possible for me to advocate for the       perspective of immigrants in a much calmer and more reasonable manner.              I have heard it said by many that immigrants should assimilate. In fact there       is a place both for those who do and those who don't. Countries – and       America especially – grow largely by putting into themselves valuable things       from elsewhere. Very        little of any kind of good is done by Muslims who go into disadvantaged       communities and gang-rape young women or tell men there to beat their       girlfriends and wives. But much good is done by any number of others.       Americans dine at Mexican restaurants,        drive Japanese cars, watch movies made by Jews, look at sports played by black       people, hire Indian programmers. All of these people do as much – if not       more – for America than do those who simply assimilate.              In my family, some assimilated and some did not. My parents assimilated into       America, and they've lived fairly comfortable lives. I did my own thing, and       my life has been less comfortable. However I made bigger contributions. There       is a place for people        like them, and there is a place for people like me.              One thing that does happen when cultures mix is both of them scrutinizing one       another. On all sides, we see such sentiments as “is nothing sacred any       more”? If they mean immune from scrutiny, then no, nothing is and nothing       should be. There are no        sacred cows, not even the Jews. If someone has a legitimate criticism of the       Jews – as opposed to a ridiculous one – I will listen to it. This process       works for the betterment of everyone. They are alerted of the wrong things in       their behavior, and        they can improve.              This is why I have absolutely no use for political correctness. Political       correctness does not teach everyone to be tolerant; it teaches everyone to be       insincere. If someone thinks that the Jews are evil, I would rather hear that       than have them pretend        to be nice to me while actually wanting to kill me. That way I know what I am       dealing with, and I can find workable ways to deal with it. I believe that the       rest of the population – Jews or anyone else under the sun – deserves the       same actual respect.              Being Jewish, I do not need political correctness to defend me. I can do so       myself, and so can any number of others, black, Jewish, Native American, what       have you. If someone bears ill will toward Jews, or Russians, or immigrants, I       would rather hear        that. Then I know what I am dealing with. And this makes it possible for me to       find workable ways to deal with it, including correcting their errors. Which       of course I have been doing – extensively – with all sides in the debate.              I believe that it is high time for that actual honesty. Let people express       their actual thoughts and feelings. Then they will be able to understand one       another enough to create actual solutions. Do not impose a false solution upon       the population. Trust        the population enough to allow it to create real ones.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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