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|    Ilya Shambat to All    |
|    Bill Clinton, Eminem and Domestic Violen    |
|    23 Sep 23 22:40:55    |
      From: ibshambat@gmail.com              In 1998, there was a vicious feeding frenzy about Bill Clinton having an       affair. The correct response to those people is that Bill Clinton’s sexual       behaviour is between him and his wife. It is none of your business, and it is       none of mine.              So then is domestic violence nobody else’s business either? That depends on       whether the woman is asking for help. If she is asking for help then it is our       business. If she is not asking for help then it is not.              Once in DC I watched a woman smacking her child and saying “stop doing that       shit.” I told her, “You are the one doing the shit, ma’am.” She said,       “mind your own business.” The same must more readily be stated to people       who persecute other        people’s sexual behaviour. A sexual act between consenting adults is       nobody’s business. It is between them and their partner.              At one point Kenneth Starr, who had been running this feeding frenzy, said       that if he were to meet Bill Clinton he would apologise. That is exactly how       Christians are intended to behave. One of Jesus’s most famous statements       was, “May he who is        without sin cast the first stone.” Unfortunately many people involved in       this were not without sin. This included the Congressional leader of this       feeding frenzy Henry Hyde, who had had a four-year-long affair; it also       included any number of men        involved in it who were wife-beaters and child abusers. Bill Clinton made a       much better husband than most of these men. If Hillary Clinton had been with       one of these men, she would not have survived the first five years of       marriage. With Bill Clinton she        became the most powerful woman in the world.              I’ve seen a number of men who were themselves sexually promiscuous attack       Bill Clinton. Eminem once stated, “The President gets his cock sucked and I       have to care what I write?” He forgot which country he lives in. He does not       live in North Korea;        he lives in America. In America the president is not the only person who       wields influence. Rappers with a huge audience wield influence as well. Which       means that they are responsible for their message. Someone who has motivated       many young men to be        horrible to their women is guilty of serious wrong, and it is a much graver       wrong than anything of which Bill Clinton was ever guilty.              So we have many people condemning Bill Clinton’s character. I have found him       to have better character than most of these people. He bore the hatred of many       without wishing them ill in return. Not only did he not wish them ill in       return, but he        considered their interests in formulating his public policy. That as opposed       to Reagan Republicans, who want to screw over any constituency that has ever       voted Democratic – and did.              Bill Clinton had better character, and was a better husband, than most people       who persecuted him. As for Eminem, he lead a movement that actualized in       brutality against many innocent women. He failed to exercise character. He let       his legitimate hatred of        his mother lead to illegitimate hatred of all women. Bill Clinton’s       character is far superior to that of Eminem, and it is also superior to that       of most men who wanted him deposed.              Sexual behaviour between consenting adults is between them and their partners.       As for domestic violence, once again, it depends on whether someone is asking       for help. Many women in such situations don’t want help and are willing to       tough it out. They        should be left alone to their choices. And if someone is asking for help, then       help them.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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