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   Ilya Shambat to All   
   Bill Clinton, Eminem and Domestic Violen   
   23 Sep 23 22:40:55   
   
   From: ibshambat@gmail.com   
      
   In 1998, there was a vicious feeding frenzy about Bill Clinton having an   
   affair. The correct response to those people is that Bill Clinton’s sexual   
   behaviour is between him and his wife. It is none of your business, and it is   
   none of mine.   
      
   So then is domestic violence nobody else’s business either? That depends on   
   whether the woman is asking for help. If she is asking for help then it is our   
   business. If she is not asking for help then it is not.   
      
   Once in DC I watched a woman smacking her child and saying “stop doing that   
   shit.” I told her, “You are the one doing the shit, ma’am.” She said,   
   “mind your own business.” The same must more readily be stated to people   
   who persecute other    
   people’s sexual behaviour. A sexual act between consenting adults is   
   nobody’s business. It is between them and their partner.   
      
   At one point Kenneth Starr, who had been running this feeding frenzy, said   
   that if he were to meet Bill Clinton he would apologise. That is exactly how   
   Christians are intended to behave. One of Jesus’s most famous statements   
   was, “May he who is    
   without sin cast the first stone.” Unfortunately many people involved in   
   this were not without sin. This included the Congressional leader of this   
   feeding frenzy Henry Hyde, who had had a four-year-long affair; it also   
   included any number of men    
   involved in it who were wife-beaters and child abusers. Bill Clinton made a   
   much better husband than most of these men. If Hillary Clinton had been with   
   one of these men, she would not have survived the first five years of   
   marriage. With Bill Clinton she    
   became the most powerful woman in the world.   
      
   I’ve seen a number of men who were themselves sexually promiscuous attack   
   Bill Clinton. Eminem once stated, “The President gets his cock sucked and I   
   have to care what I write?” He forgot which country he lives in. He does not   
   live in North Korea;    
   he lives in America. In America the president is not the only person who   
   wields influence. Rappers with a huge audience wield influence as well. Which   
   means that they are responsible for their message. Someone who has motivated   
   many young men to be    
   horrible to their women is guilty of serious wrong, and it is a much graver   
   wrong than anything of which Bill Clinton was ever guilty.   
      
   So we have many people condemning Bill Clinton’s character. I have found him   
   to have better character than most of these people. He bore the hatred of many   
   without wishing them ill in return. Not only did he not wish them ill in   
   return, but he    
   considered their interests in formulating his public policy. That as opposed   
   to Reagan Republicans, who want to screw over any constituency that has ever   
   voted Democratic – and did.   
      
   Bill Clinton had better character, and was a better husband, than most people   
   who persecuted him. As for Eminem, he lead a movement that actualized in   
   brutality against many innocent women. He failed to exercise character. He let   
   his legitimate hatred of    
   his mother lead to illegitimate hatred of all women. Bill Clinton’s   
   character is far superior to that of Eminem, and it is also superior to that   
   of most men who wanted him deposed.   
      
   Sexual behaviour between consenting adults is between them and their partners.   
   As for domestic violence, once again, it depends on whether someone is asking   
   for help. Many women in such situations don’t want help and are willing to   
   tough it out. They    
   should be left alone to their choices. And if someone is asking for help, then   
   help them.   
      
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