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|    Ilya Shambat to All    |
|    Philosophy and the working man    |
|    24 Sep 23 22:27:02    |
      From: ibshambat@gmail.com              Ayn Rand stated that the project of philosophy from Plato onward was to steal       from the working man. What she forgot to say was that the working man was       himself a creature of the civilization rather than man in his natural form.       The natural form of social        organization is the hunter-gatherer tribe. The worker exists because the       civilization exists. And philosophy is very much a part of civilization.              The problem with anti-intellectual types is that they fail to understand the       need for things such as philosophy. Without philosophy these people would have       very little of what they have. It takes intellectuals to conceptualize and       justify things such as        capitalism. And Ayn Rand, as an intellectual trying to impact the world,       should have understood such things. Her own works have been influential in       supporting and justifying capitalism and democracy. Here is a philosopher who       is firmly in support of        capitalism. And capitalism gained greatly from her efforts.              I have value for both business and culture. The first is fulfilment of man’s       productive potential and the second is fulfilment of man’s creative       potential. The first feeds the body; the second feeds the soul. Civilization       owes vastly to both. The two        should be able to get along and work together.              This has happened before in America. It was called 1920s. That time saw both a       huge scientific-technological boom and a great cultural blossoming. The       conflict between the businessman and the artist is a solvable one. It is       possible to support both        endeavors. Culture is not for “snobs” or “liberal elites.” Many of the       best cultural contributors I’ve known came from disadvantage. They did not       allow their disadvantaged background to keep them from producing excellent       work.              When businessman and artist get together, the results are fabulous. We get       magnificent architecture such as the Chrysler Building and magnificent       technology such as the Packard. And from such things everyone stands to gain.              Are the creative types a bunch of Commies? Ayn Rand was a creative type.       Ronald Reagan was a creative type. So are Arnold Schwartzenegger and Clint       Eastwood. There are many creative people with conservative outlook. As for       myself, I’ve written an essay        deconstructing Communism and have written in favor of business. I am not a       Communist. I am however willing to look at the reasons why there was Communism       and see the correct changes made to keep the same thing from happening again.              What are these changes? The Communists’ main argument was that the       propertied class were exploiting the working class. This claim is credible       when business treats its workers like trash. It is not as credible when       business is good to the worker. In my        experience, business had learnt its lesson. When I was working in the computer       industry I didn’t feel exploited. I was being paid right and I was being       treated right. For Communism to not be credible to the people, it is necessary       for business to treat        workers better. That should solve many problems.              Neither the businessman nor the artist are good or bad. Both are capable of       both. There are potentials for abuses in any endeavor. I want to see both       business and culture to be in the best shape that they can be. And I want to       see the two working        together to create accomplishments comparable to those of 1920s America.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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