home bbs files messages ]

Forums before death by AOL, social media and spammers... "We can't have nice things"

   alt.philosophy      Didn't Freud have sex with his mother?      170,335 messages   

[   << oldest   |   < older   |   list   |   newer >   |   newest >>   ]

   Message 168,694 of 170,335   
   Ilya Shambat to All   
   Choice, nature and personality disorders   
   30 Sep 23 18:20:18   
   
   From: ibshambat@gmail.com   
      
   I have encountered opinions such as that free will is a canard and that all we   
   are is our nature. The biggest problem with that kind of thinking is that it   
   stands to lead to   a holocaust. People will decide that some people’s   
   nature is bad and that    
   they can only be bad whatever they do. This logically would lead to these   
   people being targeted for extermination. As we are seeing right now with   
   sociopaths and narcissists.   
      
   Another problem with that opinion is that it is blatantly false. I am someone   
   who went from being someone whom most people saw as a bad person to someone   
   who most people see as a good one. I did it the way anyone does anything: by   
   putting my mind to it.    
   I know for a fact that it is possible to rise above nature and practice wilful   
   conduct. I also know for a fact that people can both get better and get worse   
   as function of their decisions and their beliefs.   
      
   When I was visiting my now-ex wife while she was living with her previous   
   boyfriend, he said things to aggravate her and told her, “Here is the real   
   Mel.” He decided that he knew the real Mel and that she was bad and could   
   only be bad. I did not    
   share that opinion.   
      
   Who is the real Mel? Real Mel is whoever Mel wants to be. Real Mel is    
   whatever qualities real Mel wants to have that she is willing to work in   
   developing. This reflects the most profound reality of human existence –   
   that of choice and will.    
      
   A choice and will that trumps nature and makes goodness accessible to   
   everyone, including even the sociopaths and the narcissists.   
      
   The thought on this matter needs to be reworked. People’s nature is   
   influential in their lives; but more influential is choice and will. These   
   being owned up to, it becomes possible for man to regain his humanity. And   
   then anyone can be a good person,    
   whatever his nature or psychology happens to be.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

[   << oldest   |   < older   |   list   |   newer >   |   newest >>   ]


(c) 1994,  bbs@darkrealms.ca