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|    Ilya Shambat to All    |
|    Aristotle and Freud    |
|    01 Oct 23 01:00:50    |
      From: ibshambat@gmail.com              When I told an astrologer friend that I was reading Aristotle, he told me that       Aristotle started the meanness that has been ongoing in the Western       civilization. The confusion there is one between the value and the misuses of       the value. Aristotle invented        a system of logic. Logic is not a bad thing at all. It becomes bad when it       gets misused to commit emotional violence.              In fact, many of the people who use logic that way can be easily shown to be       illogical. We see this for example with Freudians. These people think that       children are in love with the parent of the opposite gender, and that love in       adulthood is        transference of these feelings. This can be logically shown to be wrong. At       the time of Freud there were few single-parent households and homosexuals to       study; now there are plenty of them. And what we find again and again, is that       women raised by single        mothers, men raised by single fathers, homosexuals raised by the parent of       opposite gender, and people raised without either parent, fall in love just as       readily as do the people who are raised in nuclear families.              Since these people don’t have a transference figure, their feelings cannot       be transference.              Finally, since the feelings developed by people raised in the nuclear families       are of the same character as theirs, their feelings cannot be transference       either.              So we have people thinking that romantic love is irrational. I have known       highly rational people – including scientists, teachers, inventors and       military personnel – who started their matches with romantic love and are       still going strong when they        are in their 90s. These people are far more rational and responsible than       people who militate against love. And it is they that should be setting the       tone for man-woman relationships.              When I was writing about my spiritual experiences, people were claiming me to       be illogical. That is wrong. I have had experiences with less than a billionth       chance of happening whose only possible explanations are spiritual. I would       have to be completely        psychotic to deny these experiences. When faced with an experience that       contradicts the worldview, the logical thing to do is not to deny the       experience but to correct the worldview.              So we have people claiming that one must live “on Earth.” These people       have an inadequate view of what is Earth. The Earth is not just its crust. It       is also the molten metal in the center, the oceans and atmosphere at the top,       and all the life that        lives on it. The people who see only the crust do ignorant things. And it       sometimes takes a reasoned argument from a perspective that they haven’t       considered to correct their errors.              I am not against logic, and I am not against science. Both are important       pursuits, and a lot is owed to both. I am however against bigotry, whether it       is done in the name of religion or in the name of logic. The people who think       such things as that        romantic love or spiritual experience are irrational are not being logical,       they are being bigoted. And it then takes a strongly reasoned argument, that       they cannot claim to be illogical, to correct their errors.              Logic is a useful tool, and I highly recommend that people learn how to use it       correctly. What I do not recommend is that it be used to attack such things as       romantic love and spiritual experience. Misuses of the value discredit the       value itself. This        then feeds irrational ideologies. And the person who truly respects logic will       respect it enough not to use it to do wrong things.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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