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|    Ilya Shambat to All    |
|    Lessons from Communism    |
|    07 Oct 23 21:39:28    |
      From: ibshambat@gmail.com              There are lessons that stand to be learned from just about everything. I am       now focusing on lessons that should come from the world’s experience of       Communism.              The main lesson from Communism is that you don’t get to keep people’s       loyalty for long if you insist on treating your workers like dirt. When a       section of a population is being mistreated, it is only a matter of time       before someone comes along and        caters to that. With Communism, the hardest lessons were learned by places       like Russia and China, where abuses were the worst, and the least hard lessons       were learned by places like America, where the abuses were the least.              We have some in conservatism claiming that anyone who’s had anything to do       with Communism is evil. In fact most people who supported Communism came from       the right place. They didn’t like seeing workers being mistreated. They       didn’t like seeing        women being mistreated. They didn’t like seeing people of other races being       mistreated. Many of these people were ethical and compassionate. Much more so       than people who want them lynched.              While Marxism itself is wrong – and I have written about all the ways in       which Marxism is wrong – it doesn’t take an evil person to want to improve       the conditions for workers, women and other races. All this does not require a       revolution and can be        done within the framework of capitalism and democracy. When I worked in the       computer industry I did not feel exploited. I was being paid right and I was       being treated right. These people in business have learned their lesson from       Communism, and they made        correct changes in their practices.              It is in no way valid to advocate for slaughter of propertied class. It is       however valid to work to improve conditions for workers, women and other       races. Once again, this does not require a revolution; it can be done within       the framework of the system        that we have now.              There are many valid arguments in favor of business being good to the workers.       There is an argument toward compassion – that the worker has a family to       support. There is an argument toward reason – that the worker is working       hard and should be        correctly compensated. There is an argument toward the Golden Rule. One does       not have to be a Commie to care about such things. Both rationality and       Christianity favor this approach. And a person claiming to practice either has       it demanded of himself        that he treat people in general – and his workers in particular - well.              There are also many valid arguments in favor of better treatment of the       environment. What we have here is timeless treasures that man has not created       and cannot recreate. These should be protected, even as the world goes on with       scientific and        technological progress.              This being done, the more idealistically minded people will work within the       system instead of advocating for a revolution. They will find home in the       capitalist system in fields that they can believe in. And the same people who       are now troublemakers will        becomes significant contributors, applying what is in many cases extraordinary       creative intelligence to come up with and implement real solutions to the       problems of the world.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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