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|    Ilya Shambat to All    |
|    Beauty, Feminism and the Arts    |
|    24 Oct 23 19:09:10    |
      From: ibshambat@gmail.com              The Greeks extolled beauty as an ideal, and any number of others today dismiss       it under the claim that it is only taste-dependent, culturally relative or       “in the eye of the beholder.” Both are part-right and part-wrong.              Judith Langlois, an American scientist, ran an experiment that showed that       people cross-culturally will all regard a face with a certain set of       proportions as being beautiful. Another experiment showed 500 faces to 20,000       participants resulting in every        face being picked as the most beautiful at least once. The first shows the       existence of absolute beauty; the second shows the existence of relative       beauty.              Both studies validate the correct claims on each side while invalidating the       wrong ones. The existence of absolute beauty shows that the artistic search       for truth in beauty is a valid one and invalidates the abuse by feminists       against women who are        physically attractive. The existence of relative beauty shows that there is       someone for everyone and invalidates the abuse by bad parents and stupid       teenagers against those they regard as being unattractive.              I had a girlfriend whose neighbors never saw her as being attractive, but many       others did. I had another girlfriend whom everyone saw as beautiful. In the       first case we see relative beauty; in the second case we see absolute beauty.              There is nothing at all incompatible between the two.              Many artists are known as being arrogant; and while some are in no way do they       begin to own arrogance. When you are in a field that is not appreciated, as       opposed to a field that is appreciated, sometimes you have to blow your horn.       This may be regarded        as egotistical, even narcissistic; but the process demands it.              When I was writing on the Internet in favor of beauty, people accused me of       thinking with my penis. That is completely not the case. I have no sexual       attraction to my female relatives; but all of them are very beautiful.       Appreciation is not the same        thing as lust. For that matter I can also appreciate the build of a man with a       good physique, but I am not a homosexual.              Stating that “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” or anything along the       same lines is like saying that it does not exist. In fact, true beauty takes       talent and effort to produce and deserves respect. There is nothing “in the       eye” about Sistine        Chapel, Burmese stupas or the works of Monet. All these are amazing       accomplishments. They deserve respect.              I see no reason at all why the Renaissance Italy, with 3 million people and       per capita GDP of $1500 a year, would have better art than America, with 300       million people and per capita GDP of $45,000 a year. We should have 300       Sistine Chapels. American        people are in no way less talented than the Italians. The problem is one of       values. If you do not value beauty, you will not create a demand for beauty,       and most artists will either go starving or have to do something else.              What we do see in many people who regard beauty as solely being relative is       self-refuting behavior. They claim that beauty is relative; then they attack       women who are beautiful and do not attack women who are not. This shows that       they, like everyone else,        know what beauty is and what it isn't; and their claims are therefore refuted       by their own behavior.              When beauty is under attack, anything that either possesses beauty or loves       beauty will be in one or another bind. This reinforces the slander that       something is wrong with beauty. The real reason is that these people are under       attack. When women or        blacks are oppressed, they do not accomplish very much, which then reinforces       the slander that women or blacks are inferior. When beauty is oppressed, it       will be found in all sorts of bad ways, which then will reinforce the slander       that something is        wrong with beauty.              Beauty is innocent of its abuses by stupid teenagers and unscrupulous plastic       surgeons. It existed long before they existed; it will continue existing after       they are gone. That something can be used for wrong does not mean that it is a       bad thing.        Anything that has appeal to people will have someone wanting to use it for       wrong. That is as much the case with intelligence, money or patriotism as it       is with beauty.              Then there is the case that valuing beauty destroys women's self-esteem. This       is completely an invalid claim. That some students get D's does not mean that       nobody can get A's. That some people are poor does not mean that nobody can be       wealthy. Different        people will be endowed differently, and they will go to different lengths to       develop or not develop their gifts. In no way is such a thing limited to       beauty.              The women who are regarded as unattractive by bad parents or stupid school       cultures can take heart. If every face in an experiment gets picked as the       most beautiful at least once, then someone will find even them beautiful. They       have no business however        at all attacking women who are more good-looking than they are. It is valid to       look outside bad cultures that treat the person like dirt. It is wrong to       attack beauty.              Once again, there is absolute beauty and relative beauty. Search for truth or       goodness in beauty is valid; so is search outside of the place that treats you       like dirt for people who would appreciate you. Take what is right with each       side and discard what        is wrong with them. Value beauty for what it is. And if someone does not value       you as being beautiful, look for someone who would.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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