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|    Ilya Shambat to All    |
|    America's relationship with power and su    |
|    04 Nov 23 17:09:49    |
      From: ibshambat@gmail.com              America has an unusual relationship with success and power. On the one hand,       it looks up to the winner. On the other, it would support an underdog against       a bully. On first sight this appears irrational or hypocritical. In fact there       appears to be a good        logic behind this.              Someone would get good at something or other. He would get some kind of       success or some kind of power. For a while he would get respect. Then he would       get used to it or let it go to his head. He would do stupid things. He would       act like a jerk or a bully.        At that point people's sympathy will leave him and then go to some underdog       challenger. This appears to be dysfunctional, but it's not.              With power, we see another relationship. I have heard many people say that       power is evil. I have also been told to let go of my judgments of powerful       men. There appears to be a place for both attitudes. Power can most certainly       be used for all sorts of        wrong things; but that is not the only possible outcome. As for powerful men,       that can mean anything from Genghis Khan to Theodore Roosevelt. It is rightful       to have judgments of the first but not of the second.              My view on power is as follows. Power is a tool, and a tool is what you are       using it for. As the NRA says, “Guns do not kill people; people with guns       kill people.” Tools are neither good nor evil. Tools are neutral; and       whether or not they are good        or bad is decided by how they are used.              Of course with both attitudes toward success and attitudes toward power we see       all sorts of hypocrisy. People would like either when they have it, but not       when somebody else does. A conservative would look up to a successful       conservative but would        demonize a liberal, a Jew, a Russian, a Hindu or a Chinese who also becomes       successful. On one hand we see “money talks bullshit walks”; on the other       we see howling about limousine liberals, Wall Street Jews and others who       likewise became financially        successful. So we go from “America: love it or leave it” to “Jews       control everything” or “a Satanic New World Order conspiracy.” None of       the latter claims have any validity whatsoever. They are being made now       because these people can no        longer claim to own financial success, and they can't handle that.              With power we see hypocrisy of course on a much grander scale. If a woman has       understanding of people she is “manipulative”; if a politician or a       businessman does, he is “competent.” If right-wingers in power – even if       they stole an election -        they are winners; if liberals are in power – even if they were legitimately       elected - America is being taken over by damn commies. If Reagan is in power       he is a great man; if Obama is in power he is a sociopath. You will want your       own to have        empowering qualities, and you will reward them for that. But if anyone else       has empowering qualities, they are dangerous or worse.              I want to get rid of hypocrisy on these subjects, but I do not impugn either       success or power. Both are what you are using it for. Guns do not kill people;       people with guns kill people. Use the gun to protect your family, but do not       pull it on your wife.        Same is the case with success; same is the case with power.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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