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|    Ilya Shambat to All    |
|    "Posers," "pretentions" and cultural gro    |
|    05 Nov 23 00:07:40    |
      From: ibshambat@gmail.com              I once knew a former hippie woman whose son was into Jim Morrison, had long       hair, and was having all sorts of adventures. I heard her call him a poser.              My response is that if someone is doing something when it is not a part of a       trend, then he must really want it; which means that he is more the genuine       article than someone who does it when it is part of a trend.              There are some in America who do not want to have immigrants coming over from       France. These people are not thinking straight. In France, the media culture       is very anti-American, and people are relatively well-off. This means that a       regular French person        would never think of coming to America. A French person who does come to       America must really want it. Such a person is more likely to be patriotic than       would a person from a place such as Nigeria, where sentiment is highly       pro-American and many regular        people want to come to the United States.              I had a girlfriend from Portland, Oregon, who found the “European       pretentions” of Portland yuppies to be annoying. She was not looking at why       they had these “pretentions.” These people wanted to have in their lives       some kind of style; and if they        were going for that to Europe or to Japan, it was simply because these places       were better at doing style than was Portland.              Were they “pretentious” or “posers” or “snobs”? No. In fact these       people improve their country by bringing into it something from another place       that has value. The Europeans are better at culture and style than Americans,       and that has a        legitimate appeal to people in America. By bringing something good into one's       country from another place, one improves one's country.              The person from India or China or Russia who looks up to American political or       economic systems is likewise not a “poser” or a “snob.” He is someone       who sees something that Americans do better than do the folks at home. And he       improves his        country by bringing that influence into it.              Similarly people improve other countries by bringing into them worthwhile       things from abroad. A Russian immigrant to America brings education and       culture that exerts a positive effect on America. And a man from American       feminist culture immigrating to        Australia brings better ideas of how to treat women, likewise improving the       country to which he comes.              Countries grow that way; cultures grow that way. In all cases, there are       people loyal to bad habits and wrong ideas who object to this – such as       people in Portland seeing yuppies as “pretentious” or “snobs,” or       folks in Australia posting        slander against me. That is because they want to maintain their inferior       habits and are threatened through introduction of better ways. These people       think that they are loyal citizens, but actually they exert a destructive       influence on their home society.        They oppose introduction of better ways into their country and keep their       country from benefiting through introduction of these ways.              America benefits through introduction of style from Europe or Japan; and       Australia benefits through introduction of more gentlemanly attitudes.       Similarly Russia benefits through introduction of American or Australian ideas       of how to do politics and        economics. The people who oppose any of the above in the name of patriotism or       “their way of life” are either deluded or lying. Countries grow through       introduction of good ideas from abroad. And that is the case with every       country.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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