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   Ilya Shambat to All   
   Does life begin at conception?   
   07 Nov 23 22:43:23   
   
   From: ibshambat@gmail.com   
      
   The people who are against abortion believe that life begins at conception. It   
   does not. Life begins when the soul enters the body. When Melanie was pregnant   
   with Lily, she had a dream about Lily’s soul entering the body. This did not   
   happen at    
   conception. It happened one or two months into the pregnancy.   
      
   Not aborting Lily was the best decision to which I have ever been a party. She   
   is an amazing kid. But in the abortion debate, the two stances are either that   
   life begins at conception or that something is a part of another person’s   
   body for as long as    
   it is in the other person’s body. On one side we see accusations of killing   
   a living being, on the other side we see accusations of men wanting to control   
   women’s bodies.  When one believes life begins is in every way crucial to   
   the stance that one    
   takes.   
      
   I am not an abortion doctor, and I’m not an abortion clinic protester. My   
   view on this has nothing whatsoever to do with my interests. I don’t want to   
   screw every woman in the world. Neither do I seek to control what women do   
   with their bodies. I    
   want to bring sanity to an issue on which sanity has been lost a long time ago.   
      
   When really does life begin? I think that Melanie’s dream told the truth on   
   this matter. It does not come at conception; but it comes earlier than when   
   the embryo is out of the body. I do not believe that a clump of cells that the   
   embryo is during the    
   first trimester qualifies as human life. However a two-trimester embryo does,   
   to me, qualify as human life, and in such situations it’s not about   
   controlling women’s bodies but about actually protecting human life.   
      
   I had a friend named Linda who had an abortion. At one point she felt moved to   
   make a painting, and the painting was that of a girl whom she aborted as a   
   child. She went away from that bawling saying that abortion is one of the   
   worst things that a person    
   can do. However also bad is kids getting pregnant and raising their children   
   to be gangsters. From Melanie’s experience, there is an opening shortly   
   after the start of the pregnancy in which it should be possible to have an   
   abortion; then that opening    
   should rightfully close.   
      
   I therefore recommend making abortion legal before the soul enters the body   
   and illegal after that.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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