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   Ilya Shambat to All   
   The tale of two cities   
   11 Nov 23 23:58:09   
   
   From: ibshambat@gmail.com   
      
   Feminists want many men to examine their beliefs about women. I, for one, know   
   very well why I believe what I believe.   
      
   I spent the first 12 years of my life in Russia. In that country, there are   
   two major influences on this matter. One is the traditional Russian influence,   
   which is very brutal and misogynistic. The other are the writers, poets and   
   intellectuals who    
   fought this influence and spoke in favour of love.   
      
   I took after the second influence. It was a very difficult and dangerous   
   position to be in. It cost me hugely at psychological level. I had good will   
   toward women, and I maintained it in face of very nasty and very powerful   
   interests. Only to have    
   American feminists portray me as a misogynist and treat me as the lowest form   
   of life.   
      
   The real misogynists are pissing themselves laughing. Here is someone who   
   otherwise would be allied with feminism, but whom feminists have chosen to   
   demonize. If the feminists are that foolish, they have no chance of winning   
   any social debate.   
      
   One powerful constituency in favor of feminism has been the idealistic   
   intellectuals in the mode of John Stuart Mill. These men detested seeing women   
   being treated in vicious and ugly manner, and they wanted to help women fight   
   the men who behaved in    
   that way. When women behave in vicious and ugly manner themselves, they   
   alienate this constituency. It makes no sense to be in favor of women just   
   because they are women. It makes sense to be in favor of people – both women   
   and men - who choose to be    
   good to others and against people who treat other people like dirt. And when   
   women themselves treat people like dirt, they lose the support of people who   
   come from idealistic or ethical considerations.   
      
   At this point in time, we have the Tale Of Two Cities scenario. In one city,   
   vicious women maliciously mistreat men who have goodwill to women. In the   
   other city, violent thugs brutally mistreat women who have goodwill to men.   
   The two feed into each    
   other. The misconduct of each side gets used by the other side to claim that   
   the other gender is bad and worthy of mistreatment. The two have neither the   
   guts nor the power to touch one another. Instead they abuse, respectively, the   
   men and the women who    
   have done the least to contribute to either problem.   
      
   It is much easier to attack people who bear you good will than it does to   
   attack people who bear you real ill will. I have seen these feminists do   
   absolutely nothing to confront real misogynists such as Ayatollah, Michael   
   Murphy or Eminem. It’s easier    
   to yell at me than it is to confront real enemies.   
      
   What we see here is cowardice and hypocrisy. And that discredits the women’s   
   cause.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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