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|    Ilya Shambat to All    |
|    The tale of two cities    |
|    11 Nov 23 23:58:09    |
      From: ibshambat@gmail.com              Feminists want many men to examine their beliefs about women. I, for one, know       very well why I believe what I believe.              I spent the first 12 years of my life in Russia. In that country, there are       two major influences on this matter. One is the traditional Russian influence,       which is very brutal and misogynistic. The other are the writers, poets and       intellectuals who        fought this influence and spoke in favour of love.              I took after the second influence. It was a very difficult and dangerous       position to be in. It cost me hugely at psychological level. I had good will       toward women, and I maintained it in face of very nasty and very powerful       interests. Only to have        American feminists portray me as a misogynist and treat me as the lowest form       of life.              The real misogynists are pissing themselves laughing. Here is someone who       otherwise would be allied with feminism, but whom feminists have chosen to       demonize. If the feminists are that foolish, they have no chance of winning       any social debate.              One powerful constituency in favor of feminism has been the idealistic       intellectuals in the mode of John Stuart Mill. These men detested seeing women       being treated in vicious and ugly manner, and they wanted to help women fight       the men who behaved in        that way. When women behave in vicious and ugly manner themselves, they       alienate this constituency. It makes no sense to be in favor of women just       because they are women. It makes sense to be in favor of people – both women       and men - who choose to be        good to others and against people who treat other people like dirt. And when       women themselves treat people like dirt, they lose the support of people who       come from idealistic or ethical considerations.              At this point in time, we have the Tale Of Two Cities scenario. In one city,       vicious women maliciously mistreat men who have goodwill to women. In the       other city, violent thugs brutally mistreat women who have goodwill to men.       The two feed into each        other. The misconduct of each side gets used by the other side to claim that       the other gender is bad and worthy of mistreatment. The two have neither the       guts nor the power to touch one another. Instead they abuse, respectively, the       men and the women who        have done the least to contribute to either problem.              It is much easier to attack people who bear you good will than it does to       attack people who bear you real ill will. I have seen these feminists do       absolutely nothing to confront real misogynists such as Ayatollah, Michael       Murphy or Eminem. It’s easier        to yell at me than it is to confront real enemies.              What we see here is cowardice and hypocrisy. And that discredits the women’s       cause.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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