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|    Ilya Shambat to All    |
|    Vindicating Love    |
|    02 Dec 23 21:51:21    |
      From: ibshambat@gmail.com              In America, many women – especially the feminist kind – disliked me. I       came to the conclusion that the reason for that was conflict of expectations.       Both my mother and my grandmother were superwomen, and I got used to female       beauty and goodness        without myself being especially attractive physically or personally. So many       women saw me as a bottom-feeder.              However I did have things to offer the women that I was with. One was       affection and passion. Another was appreciation. Another was quite good       poetry. Another was addressing their concerns. And of course when I was making       good money in the computer        industry I had that to offer as well.              One benefit of this state of affairs is that bad women avoided me. I did not       have what they wanted. The women I did attract were the artistic and       philosophical kind. As such, these were frequently accused of being crazy or       evil. However they were all        beautiful, intelligent and exciting. Some lived in mansions and some have been       homeless; but all were amazing as romantic partners. And all had experienced       completely unfair mistreatment.              They, like me, were the romantic type. In contemporary society the romantic       women become punching bags, and the romantic men get treated as criminals. We       all had a strong influence from Romantic poetry and literature. We applied the       concepts to things in        our lives. It worked when we found one another. The result, besides beautiful       shares, was also good poetry and art on both sides.              Now romantic attitudes have come under a lot of criticism. Apparently it is       unrealistic, narcissistic or childish. It is not narcissistic; it is about       valuing the other person rather than about valuing yourself. It is not       unrealistic; people's        convictions have a large role in shaping the reality of their lives, and       people who base their actions on such beliefs make these beliefs a part of       social reality. Nor is it childish; I have known marriages that started with       love at first sight and were        going strong when the partners were in their 80s.              Then there is the claim that it is antisocial. Do not tell that to the World       War II generation. They built a very successful society while in many cases       basing their matches on romantic love. Maybe such things become antisocial in       societies that want to        snuff them out; but societies do not have to be that way.              Another claim is that it is nature's way to get you to do its bidding. Is that       such a bad thing? Is it a bad thing furthermore that such matches should lead       to marriage and family? Most people will want to have families. Most people       will want to have        children. It is much better that this be done within the context of a       relationship where people love one another than within a relationship in which       people do not.              Probably the most ridiculous claim I've heard on the subject is that it is       misogynistic. That claim is a Big Lie. That claim is precise inversion of       truth. A misogynist is somebody who hates women. A man who writes poetry for       women is not a misogynist;        he is the opposite of a misogynist. He is a man who loves women, or at least       the women for whom he writes poetry. To claim anything to the contrary is       absurd.              Then there is the claim that the people who are attracted to such things are       narcissists or sociopaths or perverts, and that these people can't love. Even       ones who can't feel love – as we are told about sociopaths - can choose to       act in a loving manner.        Use your mind for what your heart fails to do.               When something is under attack in society, its manifestations are at a       disadvantage. This reinforces the false claim that there is something wrong       with it. Especially when partners are young, inexperienced and not versed in       social manipulation, their        relationships can be easily poisoned or destroyed by people versed in such       things. This leads to situations such as the one that I had in 1995, when I       passionately loved a woman only to have her stepmother tell her that I was       using her. Completely untrue,        but it appears that she believed it. Some say that love is the most powerful       force in the universe, but in fact love is quite fragile. Its value is its       beauty, not its power, and the correct place for power is to protect the love.              One thing that I have seen in some situations is what I call the Iago       behavior. Sometimes a man would genuinely love a woman, only to have his bar       buddies or his family stuff his head with paranoid nonsense and convince him       that the woman is doing the        wrong thing or that the woman is evil. In many case these people would claim       that the man owed it to other men or even to God to tramp women down. This       would destroy even the most loving relationships and lead them to become       abusive. Then of course the        feminists would look at this behavior and say that it means that men are evil       or that love is a racket. In fact the problem was neither with men nor with       love. The problem was with the ugliness that surrounded them and which was       more experienced than        were they.              I want to see romantic love vindicated and becoming a fertile ground for       better family life. This will create better family situations. As for the       people with strong romantic influence, it will give them a reason to live and       to excel, bringing into the        civilization a rightfully disaffected constituency.              I want people growing up now to avoid situations such as what I had in 1995.       To that effect I offer my arguments on the subject. Use these arguments to       defend your relationships and make your relationships blossom for life.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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