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|    Ilya Shambat to All    |
|    God, science and mother nature    |
|    05 Dec 23 21:58:32    |
      From: ibshambat@gmail.com              I once read a Christian minister say that God must be re-introduced in order       to say no to humanity. I also heard a man from Louisiana say that mother       nature is unhappy about such things as genetic therapy and that it was going       to react against people.              These people are complete hypocrites. They have done nothing about real wrongs       done by people, such as burning the Amazonian rainforest or flooding the       atmosphere with CO2. Instead they attack the good things that people have done       – things such as        scientific knowledge and technological progress.              So we have any number of people claiming that things such as genetic therapy       is playing God. Meanwhile they do absolutely nothing to confront real wrongs       done to God – wrongs such as burning down and poisoning nature. It is fine       to destroy; it is not        fine to create.              This shows how far we have gone.              Should God be introduced to say no to humanity? That depends on what people       are trying to do. The name of God should be used to confront real wrongs, such       as destroying nature. It should be made to stand aside in light of scientific       and technological        progress. Such things are not playing God. They are making the best of man. In       particular, they make it possible to apply human intelligence toward solving       the world’s problems, improving people’s quality of life and correcting       damage that has been        done to nature by other people.              If you think that it is OK to destroy but not OK to create, then something is       wrong with you. And then it is you to whom one needs to say no. There is much       greater merit in doing genetic therapy or curing cancer or building artificial       intelligence robots        than there is in burning down the rainforest or flooding the atmosphere with       CO2. As for Mother Nature, she would be much more unhappy about us burning the       Amazonian rainforest than about us pursuing scientific and technological       progress.              The people who attack scientific progress while endorsing ruinous business       practices have no business claiming to speak for God. A man who truly loves       God would not be destroying what God has created. As for humanity, the worst       of it is not found in its        scientists and engineers. It is found in people who burn Amazonian rainforest       and flood the atmosphere with CO2. If one seeks to re-introduce God to say no       to humanity, it is to these people, not scientists, that he needs to say no.              The antipathy to science has gone on for long enough. People have their air       conditioning, their TVs and their trucks because of science. Their prosperity       is not only due to business; it is due to a much greater extent to science.       There have been many        places with market system, and most of them were poor. The reason we are       wealthier than Medieval Persia or Tsarist Russia is science.              Of course scientists and engineers can be foolish as well. There are many       people with scientific worldview who claim that religion, spirituality and       romantic love are irrational. This is a shortfall of these people. It does not       however discredit physics,        chemistry or biology. These are important fields, and we need them.              I have value both for science and spirituality. I also have value both for       civilization and nature. I want to see the best of all worlds, where both       nature and civilization are treated well. Both are amazing accomplishments,       and both deserve to be        treated with care and respect. This means, minimize harm and maximize benefit.       Stop ruinous practices such as burning the rainforest and flooding the       atmosphere with CO2. At the same time vigorously pursue scientific and       technological progress.              The people such as the ones I’ve mentioned above are doing neither of the       above. They are doing nothing to confront environmentally ruinous practices;       meanwhile they stand in the way of progress. Their stance is worse than       misguided. It is evil. And it        is to them that one needs to re-introduce God.              Ilya Shambat        https://sites.google.com/site/ilyashambatthought              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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