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|    Ilya Shambat to All    |
|    Romantic Love and Family Values    |
|    05 Dec 23 17:23:21    |
      From: ibshambat@gmail.com              A common situation that keeps cropping up is that of people falling in love       with people whose families are hostile to theirs.              One semi-solution to this has been found in Romeo and Juliet. I regard Romeo       and Juliet to not just be a play about romantic love, but rather a metaphor       for Europe’s transformation from feudalism to civilization. Through the       lovers’ sacrifice the        families realize the pointlessness of their feud and come together to work on       building a civilization. This happened during Renaissance; and the result has       been a continent turning from one of the worst places in the world to the       lasting centerpiece of a        great civilization – a great civilization that continues to dominate the       world to this day.              Another semi-solution has been found in Huckleberry Finn. The feuding families       kill one another off, while the lovers swim the river to build a life for       themselves. This thinking has been a major influence in American art and       American thought, and it        continues to influence many people around the world to this day.              The problem with the first arrangement is that the lovers get sacrificed. The       problem with the second arrangement – besides the families killing each       other off – is that it results in rootlessness, in which the partners are       disconnected from the        people from whom they have come. When there are problems in the relationship,       there is nobody to support them. Often the love turns bad, and people have       nowhere to turn to. Meanwhile the parents lose touch with the children whom       they have raised. So we        see many very unhappy people.              I propose a better solution than either of the above. I propose a solution       that benefits both the lovers and their families. The solution that I propose       is for partners to get together and bring their families together, so that       both the love and the        family can persist.              I have seen this done successfully – for example by my former wife and her       new husband. But also from her example I have seen a situation in which her       former boyfriend’s mother poisoned him against her and brought her to treat       her like dirt, however        hard she was working on the relationship and however much she was doing for       him, which was a great deal. Sometimes families’ influence can get       poisonous. Sometimes also the lover’s influence can be poisonous against the       family, as when a partner        convinces the other partner that their family are trash. However when this       works, this works wonders. And it does not only work wonders for the lovers.       It works wonders for the civilization. It creates genuine, lasting peace in       which both family love and        romantic love can triumph. And this, I regard as the full solution.              I expect such situations to keep cropping up. I do not expect human nature to       change, and I do not expect people to cease having either family relationships       or romantic attractions. So this is the solution that I propose. Let lovers       get together and        bring their families together.              Allow both family love and romantic love to triumph.              And, by doing this on a large scale, do much to help create real peace.              The 1960s ideal of peace and love has been largely discredited. But here is a       practical way in which this ideal can actually be achieved. Allow romantic       love to persist, while also maintaining family relationships. Bring families       together so that they        can coexist peacefully. Allow both romantic love and family values. And thus       create a wholesome and beautiful life.              I am not saying that this would be easy. I have listed some of the possible       problems. However it is a valid thing to strive for. And I hope that many       people around the world take this path.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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