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|    Ilya Shambat to All    |
|    Nature, Civilization and the Incas    |
|    11 Jan 24 09:09:07    |
      From: ibshambat@gmail.com              My former friend Robert, who is an astrologer and a former hippie, was writing       against life in the metropolitan area. A man named Max told him that the       people who believed what he believed were acting like spoiled children, and       that the metropolitan area        was the only environment in which they could survive.              That is not strictly true. There have been many hippies who moved to the       country and survived, giving birth to the organic farming industry. More went       back to the civilization, where they used their intellect and creative       thinking to create the computer        industry and the Wall Street boom.              The reason for the hippies’ move-back-to-the-land idea was the idea in       Romanticism that scientific civilization alienated people from nature, and       that denied them their humanity. They wanted to move back into the country to       regain what they saw as        their lost humanity. They were not spoiled children; they were people who had       a meaningful disagreement with the civilization as it was being practiced at       the time. Most of them decided later that life in the civilization was not so       bad after all. They        did what the people who remained hippies said was sell out. However I regard       them as making the better choice. They contributed to the civilization,       resulting in benefit for many people. Computer industry has done more for the       world than has the organic        farming industry.              Ayn Rand said on the contrary that man’s nature is to be a rational creator,       and that civilization was the fulfillment of true humanity. She thought that       the meaning of life was man and his work. She had a dismissive attitude toward       environmentalism        and saw nature as only resources for human consumption.              I believe that both were part-right. There is the natural aspect, and there is       the intellectual-volitional aspect. I want to see coming from that the best of       all worlds.              Specifically, I want to see both nature and civilization being in the best       shape that they can be. Both are major parts of human reality. Both are       equally real and equally important. I believe in contributing to civilization       and being good to nature at        the same time.              Of ancient civilizations, the ones that did this the best were the Incas. They       had an advanced civilization; they also took care of nature. While       contemporary suburban houses look completely out of synch with their       environment, the Incan houses looked        like extensions on mountains on which they were built. They terraced mountains       in a way such as to prevent erosion. I see no reason why the wisdom of Incas       should not be pertinent today.              In contemporary society, I’ve seen this done best at the Burningman festival       in Nevada. There, people were in their natural state – often naked – while       enjoying the benefits of technology. There were benefits of both naturality       and civilization.        Burningman is the proof that nature and civilization do not have to be forces       contrary to one another. They can also feed into one another to achieve       heights that neither can by itself.              Now there are many people who, when dealing with different forces, want to       find balance between them. I don’t want to see balance; I want to see a       positive synthesis. Positive synthesis is when forces feed into each other and       achieve what neither can        achieve by itself. Thus, people build an advanced civilization while taking       care to be more responsible to nature, and people have the benefit of both       nature and civilization. Which worlds then feed into each other to make the       most of human existence and        humanity as such.              I have seen some encouraging signs toward that effect. There are more people       using solar panels and driving electric or hybrid cars, especially in places       such as California. Some people consider these to be hypocrites for espousing       environmentalism while        benefiting from technology. That is completely wrong. There is no reason why       the two should conflict. It is possible to have advanced technological       civilization and take care of nature.              Incas knew this long before there was California. Their wisdom should be       informative today. It should be possible to have both nature and civilization       and for people to be both their natural selves and their intelle       tual-volitional selves. Then both the        aspects of human nature championed by Romantics and the aspects of human       nature championed by the rationalists will rise to completeness, and their       positive synthesis will improve the world.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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