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|    Ilya Shambat to All    |
|    Feminists: Create Better Art    |
|    08 Jan 24 12:11:17    |
      From: ibshambat@gmail.com              One major tenet of feminism is that the Western cultural and literary legacy       is patriarchal and racist.               That some influences in a legacy of a culture were patriarchal and racist does       not begin to damn the whole culture. By that standard American, German and       Spanish people are pricks because there have been slave trade, Nazism and       colonialism.              There are influences transformative, and there are influences destructive.       Some movements seeking change are rightful and some aren’t. And so far, for       the most part feminism has been a destructive influence. I haven’t seen       anything from it at nearly        the level of Sistine Chapel or Othello. Probably the only piece of art worthy       of the name that has had feminist themes has been the movie The Bratz. In it,       girls from unusual backgrounds, who would normally be getting picked on, found       a way to be cool.        That is a rightful and noble message, and I hope to see more work along the       same line.              I therefore believe that feminism and the art world should work together. More       precisely, I would like to see more good art with correct feminist message.       More work should be produced advocating for better relationships between men       and women. And more of        everything, including the arts, but also including real-world political       changes, should be done to affirm the woman’s right to a safe life inside       the home and a fulfilling life outside the home.              For as long as feminism insists on attacking beauty, kindness and love, that       will alienate the artistic and intellectual types. It will make enemies of two       of feminism’s greatest allies – the artist and the intellectual. The       people who support women       s rights because they do not like seeing people being mistreated will be       alienated from ideologies that teach women themselves to mistreat people. When       people accuse someone like me of being a misogynist or a sexist, racists and       misogynists laugh. I am        someone who detested violence against women since I was 3, and I have done       things to fight the problem, which people who accuse me of such things have       not.              With Nazism, Islamism and any number of other things, we see people trying to       bring about a state of affairs that is vastly inferior to the status quo. Both       the people who advocate rebellion for the sake of rebellion and the people who       think that        rebellion is evil are wrong. Sometimes it is rightful to support the status       quo; sometimes it is rightful to seek a change in the status quo. I do not see       why there be a correlation, positive or negative, between what one is as a       person and whether one        is a conformist or a rebel. Sometimes following the line is right; sometimes       it isn’t. Sometimes challenging the line is right; sometimes it isn’t. The       people who’ve lived through a successful revolution or a coup d’etat have       seen both the old        order and the new order, and they were rebels in one situation and conformists       in another. Throughout they retained the same character. They didn’t change.       The context they lived in had.              Which leads me to a related issue: The relationship between feminism and       family. For a long time feminism was anti-family and saw family-minded women       as “breeders.” For a long time I was anti-family as well, then I had one       of my own and realized how        foolish that stance was. What we see here is confusion between a value and the       misuses of the value. Wrong things done in the name of family discredits       family. The solution is not doing away with the family and child-rearing. The       solution is improving        the way in which family and child-rearing is done.              Feminism should therefore stop attacking love, beauty and family. It is to       direct people interested in such things into family situations and to be there       to assist them in whatever challenges they may face in that role. Women who       have children aren’t        breeders; they are mothers. Looking good is not selling out to men; it is       being one’s best. And being kind or helpful or altruistic is not being weak       or stupid or having a low self-esteem; it is one of the best traits a person       can have.              Is the Western cultural and literary legacy patriarchal or racists? It       includes many people who are neither, and some of these people have made a       strong stance against racism and patriarchalism. Some – such as Mark Twain,       John Stuart Mill, Charles        Dickens and Edna St.Vincent-Millay – did so while pushing the message of       fighting racism and patriarchalism in their literary work. A Buddhist on the       Internet once wrote that Western philosophy is contradictory. There is a very       good reason for that.        Western philosophy owes to many different and unrelated sources. It is not a       monolithic work; it is a result of many people’s efforts. And many of these       people would have beaten each other to a pulp.              So we have some using the presence of racism and misogynistic language in the       works of some Western writers to damn the entire Western literary legacy. That       is, once again, foolishness. These people had different message from one       another. They did not        collaborate with one another. They came from different places and went to       different places. The presence of such language in some Western works does not       damn the Western legacy. We will find bad boys everywhere, including in all       sorts of places where you        wouldn’t expect them to be.              Such as, for example, feminism.              If feminism is serious about reshaping the Western cultural legacy, it has a       tall task ahead of it. It is not at all easy to produce work comparable to       that of Michelangelo, Shakespeare, Bethoven, Anna Akhmatova or John Keats. I       want to see more good        feminist-themed artwork. That way feminism stands to be a transformative       influence instead of a destructive influence.              The result will be better culture and better feminism.              Now that is something worth striving for.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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