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|    Ilya Shambat to All    |
|    Knowledge, responsibility and American v    |
|    15 Jan 24 10:00:34    |
      From: ibshambat@gmail.com              Responsibility presupposes knowledge. Without knowledge, people do not       understand the world enough to know the consequences of their actions, which       means that they cannot act in a calculated manner to influence their       environment in such a way as to        achieve the intended result.              There are many demagogues claiming responsibility as their value while being       against knowledge. These people rail against scientists, academia, climate       science or "liberal elites" in the same sentence as they claim to support       responsibility or integrity        or American values. They are wrong - absolutely.              These people claim that prosperity is created by business and only by       business. What they do not realize is where the knowledge behind this       prosperity comes from. Most of what business sells is technology; and       technology comes from science.              Which means that it is science, and not business, that is the ultimate source       of prosperity. And while business certainly has a vast role in creating       prosperity, without science capitalism would be nothing more than exchange of       basic commodities at the        level it was in medieval Persia.              The people who claim to value liberty, responsibility or economic opportunity       at the same time as they attack or deny science are lying. Scientific       knowledge is at the root of prosperity as well as of all progress. Texas Oil       is not the root of prosperity;        science is.              And lacking or denying this knowledge, people engage in grossly irresponsible       behavior, such as poisoning the oceans and the air and making the world a       worse place for their children than they have found it.              Are most scientists liberals? Yes. Why? Mainly because the scientists do not       make very much money for the time, effort and money they put into their       education, which means that the people driven by economic interest tend to       avoid the profession. The only        people who go into science are either the people who love the field or the       people who are driven by the ideal of service.              And if the conservatives seek a greater presence – and influence - in the       academia, they would be advancing these things as their values and teaching       them to their kids.              It is much easier to rail against “liberal elites” than it is to produce       knowledge. What we see instead is these people railing against “liberal       elites” while using their work to enrich themselves. They fail to compensate       the people from whom        they get their knowledge according to the value that they are getting from it,       choosing instead to damn or defund them.              That is an act of supreme dishonesty. And dishonesty does not qualify as a       conservative value.              Or as responsibility. Or as liberty. Or as American patriotism or the American       way.              Is academia right on all counts? No. I have opposed political correctness ever       since I knew what it was, because it is intellectual fascism. I oppose       personality psychology because it damns people, claiming irrationally that       some people are evil and can        only be evil whatever they do, however hard they work and whatever work they       do on themselves. And I oppose materialist fundamentalism – falsely known as       skepticism - because I and many people I know – including eminent       scientists, successful        entrepreneurs and highly educated, highly accomplished professionals in fields       ranging from software to medicine - have had very real spiritual experiences.       Experiences with less than one in a billion chance of happening. And not one,       but many of them.              Does the academia not reflect “American values”? Political correctness,       materialist fundamentalism and irrational psychological theories do not; but       for as long as American values include honesty and integrity, real science       does. This is the case for        physics or mathematics or chemistry or biology or computer science or medicine       or engineering; this is also the case for climate science. Not only has it       been validated by 10,000 of the world's brightest minds, but it should be       common sense. You raise        carbon dioxide emissions while burning down the rainforests that absorb carbon       dioxide, you have problems.              Responsibility presupposes knowledge; and claiming to be in value of       responsibility while being against knowledge is a racket. It allows people to       use the work of the scientists to enrich themselves without valuing or       compensating them according to the        value of what they get. It leads them to behavior that is vastly irresponsible       and that leaves the world a worse place for their children. It leads them to       engage in brutal, destructive practices. It leads them to listen to liars and       demagogues who con        them and laugh all the way to Congress or all the way to the bank.              There is no responsibility without knowledge, and there is no prosperity       without science.              It is time that knowledge, education and science be valued according to the       benefit they provide.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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