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   Just like in christianity there is no one hippie creed. And depending on    
   the christian you talk with, you'll get enormous differences about how    
   people should live.   
      
      
   On Sat, 20 Jan 2024, Ilya Shambat wrote:   
      
   > I have seen conservative commentators describing hippies as a bunch of   
   retards who did not understand the need for morality.   
   >   
   > What hippies actually believed is that if people love one another they will   
   do the right thing by one another, and there will be no need for morality.   
   >   
   > Is that workable? I have seen it work in some situations. At Burningman,   
   there are over 20000 people, many of them naked, living in total anarchy, and   
   everyone is good to everyone else. People I met there said that people   
   weren’t ready for that much    
   freedom. I responded that the way to become ready for something is by trying   
   it out in small doses, and as ability to handle it improves increase the dose.   
   >   
   > A Christian priest told me that the substance of the Biblical law is to   
   teach us to love other people, and that commandments are rules by which this   
   love can be accomplished. The question here to ask is, What do you mean by   
   love? There are many    
   different things that are considered to be love. With universal love we see   
   compassion and understanding. With personal love we see passion and   
   partiality. It is valid to extend universal love to everyone; it is valid to   
   extend personal love to some.   
   >   
   > Is morality necessary to that effect? I have definitely seen people do good   
   things when they didn’t have traditional values, and I have seen people   
   being hideously abusive in the name of morality. For as long as morality is   
   practiced in a cruel way,    
   that will alienate people who are against cruelty from morality. This will   
   create a paradoxical situation in which the better people do not believe in   
   morality and the worse people do.   
   >   
   > My thought on this is as follows. If you can be trusted to do the right   
   thing by the next person then you do not need morality; if you cannot then you   
   do. An anarchist once told me that the options are either to treat people with   
   respect or to submit    
   to the law. It appears that there is a place for both love and morality, with   
   different approaches appropriate to different people and at different times in   
   their lives.   
   >   
   > So no, the hippies weren’t retards. They had some quite profound ideas,   
   and these are ideas that can be instructive for the rest of us. These ideas   
   had a transformative effect on the way in which Christianity was practiced,   
   enriching people’s    
   experience and understanding of the faith. They provided love in a faith that   
   was meant to preach it but forgot it. And that is a significant contribution   
   and one that deserves respect.   
   >   
      
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