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   On Wed, 31 Jan 2024, oldernow wrote:   
      
   > On 2024-01-23, tooly  wrote:   
   >   
   >> This might be one of the most important speeches of our times.   
   >> It hits most points of why socialism does not work, cannot work,   
   >> and how today's social movements are leading us essentially to ruin   
   >> [as impoverishment].   
   >   
   > In fact, no social systems "work". There are no "socialism" force,   
   > "communism" force, or "capitalism" forces in the universe. Those   
   > are all *appearances* emergent within the context of observation of   
   > multitudes of people behaving as they are. When a preponderance of   
      
   I would argue that the "ism" is a program loaded into the mind for how to   
   operate a society with limited resources. So I agree, there is of course   
   no "force" as in a physical force, unless you would argue that the force   
   is a pattern of electrons in the brain.   
      
   As for capitalism, it is an odd bird. Ludvig von Mises argued that it is   
   not a political ideology but only a science that says that by using this   
   "system" we get the highest possible physical standard of living over   
   time.   
      
   This gives us more time and more options to fulfill our wishes, but   
   capitalism says nothing about what we should do with this time or what to   
   wish for.   
      
   Interesting perspective.   
      
   > What never has, and absolutely cannot work is personhood, i.e. the   
   > belief that one is a limited ball of free-will in opposition to all   
   > not-personhood. That's the basis of mental illness, because it's   
   > purely a mental - i.e. "mind only" (in Lankavatara Sutra speak)   
   > - phenomena.   
      
   Could you please expand and rephrase? I'm not sure I understand your   
   meaning here.   
      
   > The mental illness also known as personhood is what generates   
   > behavior also known as "selfish", which is *always* at odds with   
   > a working society.   
      
   So you don't believe that capitalism transforms selfish desires into   
   products and services which benefit others? My opinion is that this is one   
   of the great virtues of capitalism. It turns something bad, which resides   
   inside all of us (our selfishness and greed) into something beneficial for   
   mankind at large through the alchemy of markets.   
      
   Best regards,   
   Daniel   
      
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