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   Ilya Shambat to All   
   Career-minded women and family-minded wo   
   03 Feb 24 11:07:56   
   
   From: ibshambat@gmail.com   
      
   A friend once wrote that the only solution for women is to climb up the   
   corporate ladder.   
      
   No, that is wrong.   
      
   Different women will want different things. For some the solution is to have a   
   career; for others the solution is to raise a family. Most women will probably   
   want both.   
      
   One problem is the hostility between the career-minded women and the   
   family-minded women. The first see the second as “breeders” and the second   
   see the first as sinners. Of course there is a need both for raising families   
   and for work.   
      
   So these women should be doing a better job of getting along with one another.   
   Neither speaks for all women; they speak for some women. There is very little   
   in common between Catherine McKinnon and Phyllis Schaffly. Both of these are   
   women who claim that    
   they are speaking for women. Yet they advocate for completely different things.   
      
   Is climbing up the corporate ladder the solution for women? Clearly it would   
   be a solution for some. However so would raising a family. However I would   
   like to warn the women who take the career path that they will be dealing with   
   all sorts of bad people,   
    and that in many cases their lives would be worse than even if they were to   
   find themselves in an abusive relationship.   
      
   Can love go bad? Of course it can. So can anything, including the corporate   
   world. I will want my daughter to understand the dangers in either situation.   
   I expect that she will want both a professional life and a family life.  Which   
   means that she needs    
   to know what she will be dealing with in both family and career.   
      
   I had a girlfriend, raised by a single aunt, who told me that she prefers male   
   authority over female authority because in case of male authority there is   
   often erotic attraction, whereas with female authority it is “what do you   
   cow know about.” Not    
   all of Eminem’s audience were violent men; it included a lot of women. These   
   women preferred violence by mean but sexy young men over emotional bullying by   
   mean unattractive older women.  And there are plenty of the latter in the   
   world.   
      
   The main conclusion to be drawn from recent feminism is that neither men nor   
   women are good or bad. Both are capable of both. And it can be quite demanding   
   to figure out who is good and who is not. Clearly Eminem is not a good person.   
   But neither is    
   Catherine McKinnon.   
      
   I anticipate different women choosing different things. Some will want   
   careers; others will want relationships. Most would probably want both. There   
   is no inherent antagonism between family and feminism. There are many   
   feminism-influenced women who raise    
   families; and they don’t do it out of servility to men but as living beings   
   that, like most living beings, simply want to have children.   
      
   There are things to be said for there to be a greater mix between   
   career-minded women and family-minded women. Both have useful things to offer   
   one another. The career-minded women may be useful in helping the   
   family-minded women to stand up to abusive    
   men, and the family-minded women may teach the career-minded women how to be   
   kinder. Supporting feminism-influenced women in having a family life will make   
   it possible for these women to pass on their values. And that is probably the   
   best thing that can    
   be done for women’s rights.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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