From: oldernow@dev.null   
      
   On 2024-02-03, D  wrote:   
      
   > > I try to remind my"self" as often as possible that thinking   
   > > is modeling/representation that easily becomes a stifling,   
   > > imprisoning paper bag of a reality that's somehow difficult   
   > > to punch one's way out of it once in its throes.   
   >   
   > Why do you think so?   
      
   Because aboutness - aka representation - masks the ineffable   
   underlying reality.   
      
   > And how do you punch your way out of it?   
      
   By not clinging to the aboutness/representation as though it were   
   the reality.   
      
   > > The phrase "all mental is illness" came to me decades ago,   
   > > and it remains a favorite.   
   >   
   > What does it mean?   
      
   Well, the species is fond of speaking of one sector/kind   
   of mentality as being "ill". From my studies, mentation   
   masks/conceals our true nature as raw awareness. Therefore,   
   from the point of view of becoming to-called "enlightened"   
   (to "our true nature as raw awareness"), *all* mental - aka   
   mentation/conceptualizing/representing - is illness with respect   
   to said enlightenment being in contrast to that.   
      
   So... it's not illness in what we think of as normal daily living,   
   which seemingly takes place in a dualism of mind, so the phrase can't   
   make sense to someone thinking "this ('normal daily living') is it".   
   But once you "insperience" awareness abiding itself, well... living   
   in Plato's cave of representation - i.e. "in the life is but a   
   (conceptual) dream" - suddenly looks relatively "ill"....   
      
   I recall when I was a kid, people spoke of others being "mental".   
      
   And what the phrase you've asked me to explain better suggests is:   
   *AND HOW*.... ;-)   
      
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