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   Good evening oldernow,   
      
   On Wed, 7 Feb 2024, oldernow wrote:   
      
   >> I use a diet of neovim and alpine, and from neovim I can   
   >> cut and paste, save parts to external files, read them in   
   >> again in place etc.   
   >   
   > I've been a vim'mer for, gosh... since it was invented? It was   
   > whatever "vi" was available on a given unix-y system before that.   
      
   Respect! We should honor our elders!   
      
   > I did give emacs an honest try, but it felt too much like "spinning   
   > plates for fingers" to me. :-) But I did the adore the built-in   
   > Lisp aspect.   
      
   Wise choice! Please see attached file for more information.   
      
   > That said, I eventually got out of the "macros and etc." game, and   
   > tend to go minimal and "as installed" as much as possible. When I   
   > need anything fancier, I lean on vim's ability to pipe lines to a   
   > script, and replace them with that script's stdout.   
      
   Amen! So do I. I have no plugins. At most I think I have a bit of space   
   adjustment, syntax highlight and line numbers, but those are all built   
   in. For some reason though, can no longer remember, I switched from vim   
   to neovim. But I always feel bad for using vim because I heard that   
   syntax highlighting is for nerds, and that vi is the "pure" religion   
   (TM). ;)   
      
   >    
   >   
   > Alpine the Linux distro? Sounds vaguely familiar, but I've been out   
   > of the distro game since discovering I don't know how many years ago   
   > that a Chromebook has a "Terminal" app that's plenty enough Linux   
   > (or something like it) for me.   
      
   Ahhh sorry for confusing you. I meanted alpine the email and news   
   client. It is brilliant! Written in C, compiles without any problems and   
   you can automate it to your hearts content. Have a look at   
   https://alpineapp.email/ for pure email bliss. =)   
      
   >> But that was tough, it could take several hours to answer   
   >> a single message so in the end the thread collapsed under   
   >> its own weight.   
   >   
   > There was a time when I'd have considered that a top-notch   
   > description of heaven. :-)   
      
   Well, you might just be standing right in front of the kingdom of heaven   
   here! ;)   
      
   >> Oh well... madness all around. But I take solace in the   
   >> fact that just because someone else, or even society,   
   >> believes one thing, I am entirely free to think and believe   
   >> the opposite. ;)   
   >   
   > Entirely? But I thought you said you were married.... :P   
      
   Touché! But life has taught me that if you agree too easily your better   
   half will know what your doing and scold you for that. So first disagree   
   lightly (even if you don't care, just in order to give the lightest hint   
   of a discussion) and then agree, and she will love you for it. ;)   
      
   >> On the other hand... that brings me to my philosophy of   
   >> "micro-training".   
   >   
   > Unfamiliar with the term, but it's an aspect of a lifestyle I've   
   ...   
   > beautiful neighborhood for walking. All I've gotta do is live long   
   > enough to see it.... :-)   
      
   Ahh, the final house! Haven't reach that stage in my life yet. On the   
   other hand I'm only 41 so still just a, what do they call it...   
   whipper-snapper?   
      
   >> I am a firm believer in the fact that the body needs to   
   >> be active for the human to be happy.   
   >   
   > Without question.   
   >   
   > FWIW, I'm considering changing my USENET handle to "The   
   > Choir".... ;-)   
      
   )   
      
   >> But for me it comes and goes in waves. I might be very   
   >> active for a week, then life (or wife) gets in the way and   
   >> I disappear for a week or 2, then I might come back. On   
   >> and off, wax on, wax off.   
   >   
   > Were I a devout Catholic, at this point I'd be wondering if there   
   > were some kind of special penance for luxuriating in "commonality   
   > relief." :-)   
      
   Yes... it is very strange, but sometimes it does seem to happen!   
      
   > Deal. But I must warn in advance that I get in moods when after   
   > reading particularly inspirational passages I wind up feeling I've   
   > got to let loose somewhere, and there's a good chance it'll be in   
      
   Ahh... this explains all those bible-people in alt.atheism who are   
   trying to save the people of little faith. I always thought it was some   
   kind of nasty bot, but perhaps they do overflow with divine inspiration   
   and think that alt.atheism is the perfect vehicle for this inspiration.   
   ) Glad they haven't found this little oasis yet!   
      
   > Ha... I re-read that past paragraph and suddenly the bible verse   
   > about "where two or three are gathered together in my name" came   
   > to mind.... :-)   
      
   So not four??   
      
   >> that, I recommend Rabindranath Tagore. I think you'll   
   >> enjoy it.   
   >   
   > Huh.. the name looks a little familiar, and some of he photos in   
   > the Wikipedia entry looked familiar. Hopefully some time frees up   
   > for a bit of investigation. Right now I'm a wee bit busy with a   
   > USENET reply in danger of collapsing under its own weight. :-)   
      
   Famous indian poet who wrote beautiful poetry about divine inspiration.   
   Hmm, I wonder if he perhaps even received a Nobel prize in literature?   
      
   >> Taoism is one of those religions/philosophies that really   
   >> speak to me. I once read a book by a christian monk   
   >> (I think) who wrote 400 pages on the subject of the   
   >> similarities between christianity and taoism.   
   >   
   > I've gotten with it here and there, but honestly can't remember   
   > the last big(ger) dive, so yet another investigation mental note.   
   > All things work together for Awareness.... :-)   
      
   Oh, in that case you might like Huxleys Perennial Philosophy? He does   
   what we do, and compares notes between several religions. The difference   
   is that he made a product out of it and earned some money. ;)   
      
   >> For me, all the miracles, stories etc. have been what   
   >> put me off christianity for decades ever since I was a   
   >> child. It was only after I started to look for the deeper   
   >> meaning, comparing other religions, thinking, that I found   
   >> the kernels of wisdom in christianity that I always lacked   
   >> during my youth. To me, the rituals, creeds and stories   
   >> are for mind control and politics. A good way to build a   
   >> stable community and expand your power.   
   >   
   > I guess my fundamentalist dive over 40 years ago cured me getting   
   > "put off", which I definitely was *pre* that period of mine. That   
   > might sound weird, but it was a sort of "facing my doubts by giving   
   > the damned stuff a genuinely full-fledged try".   
      
   What made you exit your fundamentalism? When I was studying in the US   
   for a year, I used to love talking and debating with religious   
   republicans about abortion or other controversial topics. Naturally we   
   never agreed, but those were some very good and respectful discussions.   
      
   Many years later I went to San Francisco and visited the Berkeley campus   
      
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