From: oldernow@dev.null
On 2024-02-11, D wrote:
> (written at 30000 ft somewhere over the baltic sea...)
I had a funny hunch you got high every now and then. :-)
> Not on the internet, so this is from memory, press (S)etup
> then (C)onfig and then fill in the nntp details on the
> third row. I _think_ when you try to connect to the nntp
> server that alpine will ask you for your login/password and
> then save it do disk. Let me know if that doesn't work,
> and I'll dig around in the .pinerc and will send you how
> it looks like in my own.
Okay, I'd already figured that out.
Given that, when I start it, I go into L (FOLDER LIST), where I
see two things I can select:
----------------------------------------------------------
| Mail |
| Local folders in mail/ |
| |
| News on news.eternal-september.org/nntp |
| News groups on news.eternal-september.org/nntp |
----------------------------------------------------------
A couple quick questions:
1) Should I have specified the server as
nntp://news.eternal-september.org? Or was news.eternal-september.org
sufficient?
2) Why is the server being shown with '/nntp' appended to the
end? I don't take that on when I access news.eternal-september.org
via slrn. Is that a sort of additional visual hint (beyond the
word "News"...) to be sure I understand that server is nntp
protocol...? Or....?
Anyway, I select the second, which brings me to a screen with the
following near the top:
--------------------------------------------------
| News groups on news.eternal-september.org/nntp |
--------------------------------------------------
From there is appears I can Add/Delete/Rename newsgroups.
But at no point was I prompted for server credentials... and when
I attempt to "Add" alt.philosophy, I'm told that "didn't match
any existing groups", so I get the feeling no server connection
ever happens.
>>> Ahh... this explains all those bible-people in alt.atheism
>>> who are trying to save the people of little faith. I
>>> always thought it was some kind of nasty bot, but perhaps
>>> they do overflow with divine inspiration and think that
>>> alt.atheism is the perfect vehicle for this inspiration.
>>> ;) Glad they haven't found this little oasis yet!
>>
>> Atheism's *fightin'* words to them!
>
> That's a shame. I was hoping for some good old
> philosophizing there as well but its drowning in bible
> quotes so in the end I stopped following it. =(
I took a peek for a day or so, but the high traffic of mostly
"I'm right and you're wrong" in and about gobs of nested quoting
had me unsubscribing.
> > > Oh, in that case you might like Huxleys Perennial
> > > Philosophy? He does what we do, and compares notes between
> > > several religions. The difference is that he made a product
> > > out of it and earned some money. ;)
> >
> > There might have been a time. But these days that sounds
> > too voluminous for me.
>
> It's not that bad... around 300 pages if memory serves
> and mostly he is comparing quotes from various religious
> texts to see how they reinforce each other.
It's not that bad for a 41-year-old, perhaps. But for this
62-year-old feeling the hot blast of death's breath on the back
of his neck, and who has had attention deficit issues since
before people came up with fancy terminology/labels for such,
well... probably going to put the time/effort into reading material
that I know provokes what feels like liberation from time to time.
> Fascinating journey! My own philosophical and ideological
> travel is definitely not so long and fundamental. When
> I was young I was very conservative and actually fairly
> trusting in a good, old, conservative government and I did
> give politicians the benefit of the doubt. As the years
> passed, I had a few chances to meet with some politicians,
> I joined the youth section (for 3 months) and started to
> read a lot of libertarian texts, philosophy economics,
> etc. And one day when I looked back I discovered that I no
> longer trusted politicians, loathed them in fact, had no
> trust in the government, and had more tolerance for what
> other people want or do not want to do in the privacy of
> their bedroom. I could in fact go so far as to say that if
> my neighbours want to live in a communist community they
> are more than welcome to try as long as they don't drag
> me into it. So in short, I found myself having moved from
> being a conservative to a libertarian/anarcho capitalist
> or however you want to slice and dice it.
>
> But this worries me!
>
> I moved from conservative as a young man, to libertarian
> as a older man, and where will that take me when I'm an
> old man? Will I become a marvel of "freedom", pot smoking,
> bdsm-practicing, self-sufficiency/farm owning crazy man? Or
> did my trip along freedom lane stop or slow down before
> getting too extreme? ;)
>
> But these ideological shifts seem to run in the family. My
> father started as a pot smoking communist complete with
> long hair and a somewhat hippie lifestyle, until he met
> my mother who transformed him, slowly, over the years,
> to a mild conservative. Probably in US terms, someone
> belonging on the right hand side in the democrat party,
> with some questions where he has a clearly republican bent.
>
> Well... time will tell!
Very interesting trajectory. Kind of like mine, although I had one
monkey-wrenched transition. I was go-to-church-and-that's-about-it
Catholic growing up, to bible-believing-fundamentalist-christian last
year of high school, practiced what I preached for several years,
remained mostly conservative while losing the more overtly religious
trappings, much reading, seemed like the material was "collectively
going somewhere", i.e. building upon itself and gaining momentum,
eventually became far more liberal socially (voted for Reagan
while conservative, Clinton/Gore by the time it was their turn),
married "outside of race" (back when that was considered something
somewhat amazing), lots 'o drinking, growing my own pot, divorce,
new relationship back roughly where I grew up, that ended, lived
with brother, eventually found my current wife through a serious
of online accidents, slowly became more conservative again due to
her influence, with what I imagine has to be a certain amount of
"getting old" component.
I'm not conservative in what I want to call a "self-righteous"
way, by which I mean perpetually flaunting lots of "i'm right,
you're wrong". For example, the neighbor a couple houses down has
a sign outside that reads "God, Guns, and Trump". I've no need
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