From: oldernow@dev.null   
      
   On 2024-02-14, Ilya Shambat  wrote:   
      
   > When people do not appreciate what they have, the correct   
   > solution is to bring to their attention the situation of   
   > people who have it worse than they do.   
   >   
   > The Chinese people could only dream of having a government   
   > like the American. The Americans already have it and keep   
   > attacking it. The American government could only dream   
   > of having a population like the Chinese. The Chinese   
   > government already has it and treats it like dirt.   
   >   
   > Muslim women could only dream of having men like the   
   > Americans. American feminists already have them and insist   
   > on being ugly to them. American liberal men could only   
   > dream of having women like the Muslim. Muslim men already   
   > have them and treat them in terrible ways.   
   >   
   > I had a friend from Russia whose wife told him   
   > that there were no real men left in either Russia or   
   > America. I told him to tell her to check out the scene in   
   > Afghanistan. Ingratitude is a real problem. I used to be   
   > an ungrateful brat myself, but I've learned better. In   
   > all the cases above we see ingratitude; and the people   
   > who practice it need to have brought into perspective the   
   > situation of those who have it worse than do they.   
   >   
   > Of course we see the guilty party using the behavior by   
   > the other side to make its case more convincing. Americans   
   > use misconduct by Chinese government to attack government,   
   > and Chinese government uses misconduct by private American   
   > citizens and corporations to push the case for greater   
   > government control. Feminists use behavior by Muslim men   
   > to claim that men are pigs, and Muslim men use behavior   
   > by American feminists to claim that women are evil and   
   > should be battered. In neither case is the guilty party in   
   > the position to confront the behavior by the other guilty   
   > party. Instead they take it out on the better party. And   
   > that teaches everyone the worst possible behavior, in which   
   > terrible people are being rewarded and better people are   
   > being abused.   
   >   
   > A Muslim man who thinks that women are bad needs to deal   
   > with women who are actually bad before he has appreciation   
   > for what he has in his country. A feminist woman who   
   > thinks that men are pigs needs to deal with men who are   
   > actual pigs before she has appreciation for what she has   
   > in America. Same is the case with both governments and   
   > populations in America and China.   
      
   To me, the first paragraph is incompatible with the rest:   
      
   - The first paragraph describes a solution to ungratefulness   
     consisting of redirection of attention.   
      
   - The subsequent paragraphs describe people as generally incapable   
     of seeing the simplest things. If that's the case, how could it   
     possibly matter where their attention is redirected?   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)