From: oldernow@dev.null   
      
   On 2024-04-09, oldernow  wrote:   
   > On 2024-04-09, D  wrote:   
   >   
   >>>> I think we spoke about this before,   
   >>>   
   >>> Probably. These days my memory has all the focus of candle   
   >>> smoke after having been blown out.   
   >>   
   >> Do you feel this state of mind has gotten you closer to   
   >> transcendence?   
   >   
   > Not the "candle smoke after having been blown out" state of   
   > mind. That was a cute/poetic attempt to represent a mostly   
   > unreliable memory faculty.   
   >   
   > *However*, I want to say that for about a year I've been regularly   
   > experiencing what in the past I might have called "transcendence". I   
   > seems "provoke-able/induce-able" at times, except that what I want   
   > to call confidence/pride in provoking/inducing it seems to push the   
   > possibility of provoking/inducing it away, as oddly contradictory as   
   > that might sound. It's as though needing to be "tricked" (by me?) for   
   > it to "happen"... imagine, if you will, shouting "Look!" while   
   > pointing "over there", and somehow while simply reacting to one's   
   > own deception, it just sort of happens. I use the word 'reacting' to   
   > imply a loss of (free-)will/person/self, hence the "sort of happens"   
   > (in other words, there's no one to "make it happen")....   
   >   
   > So all "I" (haha) can guess is the state is actually the   
   > (free-)will-less/self-lessness... but then "I come to my senses",   
   > i.e. that sense of free-willed selfhood returns, and POOF, the   
   > transcendence/magic is gone....   
   >   
   > And words don't help. They conceal, except inasmuch as they can   
   > be used deceptively as describe above... as though to used to   
   > become... ignorant of ignorance....?   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   > Looking at your statement again:   
   >   
   >> Do you feel this state of mind has gotten you closer to   
   >> transcendence?   
   >   
   > Another possible description    
   > is that said transcendence is paramount to an absence of a mind of   
   > a self/person to have/feel a state....?   
      
   Sorry for jumping out of turn, but I suddenly remembered another   
   fairly faithfully effective "trick", which I'll describe as "being   
   in the general vicinity (in a contemplative/meditative sense) of the   
   '"Headlessness"' section of this":   
      
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Harding   
      
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