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|    How some misunderstanding happens    |
|    24 Apr 24 13:51:22    |
      From: oldernow@dev.null              It's tough. By definition, individuals are separate from       all else - especially with respect to their ongoing field       of conceptuality - i.e. mind - which is essentially a       dream taken/believed to be real.              So right off that bat, mutual understanding is crippled       by needing to be mediated by something somewhat common to       disparate conceptuality contexts. That something is spoken       and/or written "words", i.e. re-presentations of thoughts.              I say "crippled", because those words/thoughts are utterly       isolated within the aforementioned individual minds,       their meaning being defined in the context of supporting       words/thoughts present in said individual minds.              The mediation problem: spoken or written words do *not*       carry with them that context!              Sure, one can attempt to provide as much of that context       as possible, but if you think about it, does that really       happening?              Well, how could it? Each word employed to hopefully       deliver the context goods suffers the same inadequacy! Each       means something specific only in its complete supporting       conceptuality context. Once converted, transmitted, and       received, each and every word winds up with the meaning       relative to the receiving context; the transmitting       context is essentially filtered out, replaced by the       receiving context.              Get it? (haha! (laughing at how I'm asking you to       understand the meaning of these words as though in my       conceptuality context, when as I just got done saying,       you'll never have more than your conceptual context       no matter how many agents of mediation - aka words - I       transmit. (In fact, the more words I transmit, the greater       the chance of transmitting a word whose meaning difference       between the transmitter's conceptuality context and the       receiver's conceptual context is sufficiently different to       completely derail any chance of understanding the little       bit of it I wanted you to understand in my conceptuality       context, i.e. "from my point of view")))              But as if that's not challenging enough, there are times       when people use a word in a way obviously contrary to       consensually agreed to definitions (keeping in mind that       nobody understands even those identically, but we do the       best we can).              I came across a good example of that in a gemini post       entitled "anarchy - what I mean when I say it" (one point       of clarification: that's what the link text said, but       the title within the actual post left out the 'anarchy -       " part):              gemini://gemini.thebackupbox.net/~epoch/blog/anarchy              =================================================       | # what I mean when I say it |       | |       | or maybe I should start with what don't mean? |       | |       | I don't mean chaos. |       | I don't mean violence. |       | I don't mean blowing shit up. |       | I do mean no government though. |       | |       | I absolutely mean loving one another. |       | |       | I don't know if this is possible. |       | |       | I hope it is possible. |       | |       | I'm trying. |       =================================================              I mean, c'mon... it's hard enough (per the above) to       understand each other without using a word in what's       *obviously* almost utterly contrary to its consensually       agreed to definition! Doing such is akin to pouring gas       on a fire, and how the house became a smouldering mass       of uselessness....              --       oldernow       xyz001 at nym.hush.com              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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