From: nospam@example.net   
      
   On Wed, 24 Apr 2024, oldernow wrote:   
      
   > On 2024-04-24, D  wrote:   
   >   
   >>>> Also don't mix levels. The self is an excellent tool   
   >>>> for surviving in the material universe. If you want to   
   >>>> go "beyond" and discuss transcending and those kind of   
   >>>> experiences, that's when this might (depending on your   
   >>>> philosophical position) hit you in the face. =)   
   >>>   
   >>> Yes! "Mixing levels" was what I feared most in failing to   
   >>> be clear. But, like I said, it's a tough topic, because   
   >>> not realizing there might be more than one conceptual   
   >>> level the verbiage might be applied to makes it impossible   
   >>> to understand.   
   >>   
   >> True. We are literally trying to argue _from_ the I   
   >> to convey an experience _without_ the I. On the other   
   >> side, the person is using his I to understand what's it   
   >> like without an I. Conceptually that's pretty close to   
   >> impossible, if not impossible. Only direct experience,   
   >> without the intermediary layer of words and thought,   
   >> will convey it fully.   
   >   
   >         *** O... M... F... G...! ***   
   >   
   >    
   >   
   > This is the first time this here seeming instance of   
   > individuality has read someone he was interacting with   
   > (as opposed to "reading it in a book") state such,   
   > especially so clearly and on the money....   
   >   
   > This simulation we're defined in is getting danged   
   > interesting, indeed!   
      
   Ahh... glad I could be of service. Every once in a while we might stumble   
   on some grains of wisdom here. ;)   
      
   I think the above was inspired by a bit of Kant and a bit of Jaspers with   
   a pinch of my own thoughts and words. I think I'll stick it in the book!   
   )   
      
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