From: dnomhcir@gmx.com   
      
   oldernow  writes:   
      
   > On 2024-04-26, Richmond  wrote:   
   >   
   >>> Make sense. And yet "knowing" that seems about as relevant   
   >>> to my experience of life as knowing how I balance on a bike   
   >>> improves the experience of the ride: it doesn't. In fact,   
   >>> entertaining that "knowing" while riding actually steals   
   >>> attention away from aspects of the ride, e.g. the sights,   
   >>> the feel of the airflow, the feel of the terrain, etc.   
   >>   
   >> Perhaps, but the thread is not about your experience of   
   >> life and how to improve it, it is about the philosophy   
   >> of consciousness.   
   >   
   > I think a common misunderstanding (which your "is not"   
   > suggests to my subjective point of view) is that there's   
   > some objective point of view. But I've no idea how I could   
   > know it given I've private meanings/contexts for words,   
   > and can only know *about* some alleged objective point of   
   > view from an utterly separate subjective point of view.   
   >   
   > It's mildly embarassing for sounding so damned selfish,   
   > but there are many times when a thread *to me* IS about   
   > my experience, and I think it reasonable to assume others   
   > feel/thinking similarly at times.   
   >   
   > It's a funny pickle: the harder I try to be objective   
   > or "align with an alleged objective point of view", the   
   > more I'm asserting a subjective point of view - as though   
   > attempting to draw conceptually nigh faithfully leads to   
   > winding up farther away.   
      
   I am just trying to explain why I said what I said, and the context is   
   relevant to that, because you asked what it is accomplishing a little   
   further back. (Perhaps there is some merit in quoting everything). But   
   for me to discuss consciousness is interesting in its own right. My only   
   purpose is to understand it and what it means. Lately I have been   
   finding that people have various meanings attached to the word   
   consciousness which are different from mine. These terms like conscious,   
   unconscious, subconscious, awareness, knowledge, perception, all get   
   mixed together with woolly boundaries.   
      
   I'd like to know if dolphins, elephants, chimpanzees, dogs, cats,   
   whales, are conscious, even though it is not of any use to me to know.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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