From: oldernow@dev.null   
      
   On 2024-04-29, Richmond  wrote:   
      
   >> Of course we all assume it. There is no way to conclusively   
   >> prove the subjective experience of another persons   
   >> consciousness. We have to, by nature, rely on proxies such   
   >> as language, words, behaviours, brain scans etc. So that   
   >> is why I am a fan of the turing tests. If it passes, as   
   >> far as I can concerned, I will ascribe consciousness to it.   
   >   
   > As I understand it, consciousness is something in the   
   > present moment. But it has always puzzled me, how do we   
   > know the present moment is the same for everyone? What if I   
   > am conscious here and now, but you are conscious yesterday   
   > morning? or perhaps Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:35:53 +0200 would   
   > be a better example.   
      
   We "know" by repeating the same incantations we believe,   
   modifying them as needed to "fit in" - i.e. better align -   
   with the incantations of others on the same topic / theme   
   / word until it seems like there's agreement, at which   
   point incantation participants believes they've arrived   
   at not merely representational accuracy, but Truth About   
   Reality.... ;-)   
      
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   oldernow   
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    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)