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   oldernow to nospam@example.net   
   Re: philosophy of consciousness   
   30 Apr 24 12:25:38   
   
   From: oldernow@dev.null   
      
   On 2024-04-29, D  wrote:   
      
   > What about all the people who are happy with their   
   > being! ;)   
      
   What about whether people can be believed about their own   
   happiness when experience has shown people will lie about   
   anything/everything for all kinds of reasons, e.g. money,   
   how they appear to others, etc.? How many egos want to let   
   on that they're not happy, therein possibly appearing to   
   be less than the amazingness of a person/being they wish   
   to project for whatever advantage(s) they imagine that   
   appearance possibly giving them?   
      
   >> Note that when I say "we", I don't mean everyone, because   
   >> some have *transcended* shithood. Maybe they're the one's   
   >> with what you've been calling "intrinsic meaning"?   
   >   
   > Maybe. I find the thought that there is nothing wrong   
   > with the "I" and that we definitely have all the mental   
   > tools available to us to be happy inside the "I" quite   
   > fascinating.   
   >   
   > As you say, and in a lot of religions the I is the problem   
   > and must be eliminated. However... is this really so? Maybe   
   > there is a path to happiness through the I as well as   
   > without the I?   
      
   I don't think it needs to be eliminated, nor could it be   
   any more than any other thought (you know how thinking   
   about not thinking is just more thinking). I think (haha)   
   it's a matter of seeing "I" for what it actually is:   
   another thought, but a somewhat special thought for being   
   thought (haha) to possess special attributes/powers,   
   and that seeing it accurately is more a loss of that   
   specialness. It's simply another re-presentation, not   
   some actual underlying reality possessing the likes of   
   "free will".   
      
   Seeing it correctly deflates its misleading-ness, so   
   to speak.   
      
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