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   On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, oldernow wrote:   
      
   > On 2024-04-29, D  wrote:   
   >   
   >> What about all the people who are happy with their   
   >> being! ;)   
   >   
   > What about whether people can be believed about their own   
   > happiness when experience has shown people will lie about   
   > anything/everything for all kinds of reasons, e.g. money,   
   > how they appear to others, etc.? How many egos want to let   
   > on that they're not happy, therein possibly appearing to   
   > be less than the amazingness of a person/being they wish   
   > to project for whatever advantage(s) they imagine that   
   > appearance possibly giving them?   
      
   Well, if everyone lies about everything, then any investigation and   
   speculations is pointless.   
      
   >>> Note that when I say "we", I don't mean everyone, because   
   >>> some have *transcended* shithood. Maybe they're the one's   
   >>> with what you've been calling "intrinsic meaning"?   
   >>   
   >> Maybe. I find the thought that there is nothing wrong   
   >> with the "I" and that we definitely have all the mental   
   >> tools available to us to be happy inside the "I" quite   
   >> fascinating.   
   >>   
   >> As you say, and in a lot of religions the I is the problem   
   >> and must be eliminated. However... is this really so? Maybe   
   >> there is a path to happiness through the I as well as   
   >> without the I?   
   >   
   > I don't think it needs to be eliminated, nor could it be   
      
   There are religions and goals of meditation where the I definitely should   
   be extinguished.   
      
   > any more than any other thought (you know how thinking   
   > about not thinking is just more thinking). I think (haha)   
   > it's a matter of seeing "I" for what it actually is:   
   > another thought, but a somewhat special thought for being   
   > thought (haha) to possess special attributes/powers,   
   > and that seeing it accurately is more a loss of that   
   > specialness. It's simply another re-presentation, not   
   > some actual underlying reality possessing the likes of   
   > "free will".   
      
   That's another way to spin it.   
      
   > Seeing it correctly deflates its misleading-ness, so   
   > to speak.   
   >   
   >   
      
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