From: oldernow@dev.null   
      
   On 2024-04-30, D  wrote:   
      
   >>> What about all the people who are happy with their   
   >>> being! ;)   
   >>   
   >> What about whether people can be believed about their own   
   >> happiness when experience has shown people will lie about   
   >> anything/everything for all kinds of reasons, e.g. money,   
   >> how they appear to others, etc.? How many egos want to let   
   >> on that they're not happy, therein possibly appearing to   
   >> be less than the amazingness of a person/being they wish   
   >> to project for whatever advantage(s) they imagine that   
   >> appearance possibly giving them?   
   >   
   > Well, if everyone lies about everything, then any   
   > investigation and speculations is pointless.   
      
   You make a strong case - unless you're lying, of course.... ;-)   
      
   >> I don't think it needs to be eliminated, nor could it be   
   >   
   > There are religions and goals of meditation where the I   
   > definitely should be extinguished.   
      
      
      
   >> any more than any other thought (you know how thinking   
   >> about not thinking is just more thinking). I think (haha)   
   >> it's a matter of seeing "I" for what it actually is:   
   >> another thought, but a somewhat special thought for being   
   >> thought (haha) to possess special attributes/powers,   
   >> and that seeing it accurately is more a loss of that   
   >> specialness. It's simply another re-presentation, not   
   >> some actual underlying reality possessing the likes of   
   >> "free will".   
   >   
   > That's another way to spin it.   
      
   Words == Spin!   
      
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