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   On Wed, 1 May 2024, oldernow wrote:   
      
   > On 2024-04-30, D  wrote:   
   >   
   >>>> What about all the people who are happy with their   
   >>>> being! ;)   
   >>>   
   >>> What about whether people can be believed about their own   
   >>> happiness when experience has shown people will lie about   
   >>> anything/everything for all kinds of reasons, e.g. money,   
   >>> how they appear to others, etc.? How many egos want to let   
   >>> on that they're not happy, therein possibly appearing to   
   >>> be less than the amazingness of a person/being they wish   
   >>> to project for whatever advantage(s) they imagine that   
   >>> appearance possibly giving them?   
   >>   
   >> Well, if everyone lies about everything, then any   
   >> investigation and speculations is pointless.   
   >   
   > You make a strong case - unless you're lying, of course.... ;-)   
      
   Haha, brilliant! Well, this is why these types of conversations, like the   
   one on transcendence, tend to end. If there is not common ground or truth,   
   there's little to be gained by talking. =/   
      
   >>> I don't think it needs to be eliminated, nor could it be   
   >>   
   >> There are religions and goals of meditation where the I   
   >> definitely should be extinguished.   
   >   
   >    
      
   And Buddha is his name!   
      
   >>> any more than any other thought (you know how thinking   
   >>> about not thinking is just more thinking). I think (haha)   
   >>> it's a matter of seeing "I" for what it actually is:   
   >>> another thought, but a somewhat special thought for being   
   >>> thought (haha) to possess special attributes/powers,   
   >>> and that seeing it accurately is more a loss of that   
   >>> specialness. It's simply another re-presentation, not   
   >>> some actual underlying reality possessing the likes of   
   >>> "free will".   
   >>   
   >> That's another way to spin it.   
   >   
   > Words == Spin!   
      
   Spin... as in spinning a yarn?   
      
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