From: oldernow@dev.null   
      
   On 2024-05-10, D  wrote:   
      
   >>> No, I think you're missing the message here... why not   
   >>> take your daily dose of DMT? Transcendence in a box! ;)   
   >>   
   >> Because transcendence is free: no dose required. Awareness   
   >> turned around upon its seeming source works every time.   
   >   
   > True... but   
      
   True *but*? Doesn't the latter word at least somewhat   
   nullify the former? How can there be any "buts" about   
   truth?   
      
   > in todays world of instant gratification, what would be   
   > the most likely? People spending time and effort reaching   
   > T by their own means, or, buying McT and getting it in   
   > doses of 15 minutes with zero effort?   
      
   I would say because, in my experience, chemically induced   
   states seem more a deepening of delusion than what is   
   available when considering mind content more a dream than,   
   not merely *a* reality, but Reality.   
      
   Believing one is a body with a brain is *already* fairly   
   deep conceptual/representational stupefication.   
      
   And we double (triple? N+1-ple?) talk the fuck out of   
   it. We speak of the representational aspect of the brain   
   as some amazing thing, but then conveniently forget/ignore   
   the representational part and consider the representation   
   TO BE THE REALITY. So the brain seems to generate a mind   
   that that can represent/model the brain... but what's   
   primary/fundamental in that scenario. Looks super circular   
   to me. I could just as easily say mind is a hallucination   
   that includes a hallucinated brain that...  that... (words   
   failing again) has a mind... so... does the mind have a   
   (representational) brain "object" (representation) in   
   it, or does the brain have a mind that can somehow reach   
   outside of itself and... and what? Model... "know"... a   
   real brain? But how could that which apprehends apprehend   
   its basis / itself?   
      
   All I can think (haha) is you pick one model, consider it   
   The Reality, and stick to it. Serious attempts at trying   
   to "get to the bottom of it" seem to necessarily lead   
   to this madness being represented in this attempt to put   
   "it" (double quotes indicate not being sure "it" is some   
   reality, or a model...) in words.   
      
   > Actually, I read an article a year ago, about some pirate   
   > place in a basement out side Stockholm where a woman sold   
   > McT for therapeutic purposes, illegally.   
   >   
   > And I always think about if the people just get hooked on   
   > the experience, and thereby disregard, _what the experience   
   > is leading to_.   
   >   
   > I think the buddha warned against psychic powers, healing   
   > and stuff, calling it a distraction from the end goal of   
   > enlightenment. Sometimes I wonder if buddha wouldn't warn   
   > against getting hooked on McT as well?   
      
   Well, okay... I should have read further. In other words,   
   *EXACTLY*.  Except that the "getting hooked on" part is   
   incidental. The part about distraction was what I meant by   
   "deepening of delusion".   
      
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