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   07 Jul 24 12:16:10   
   
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   Found this article and thought that you might be interested. What will   
   happen when we no longer have a shared world of facts which we can refer   
   to?   
      
         Weird interaction with a student this week. They keep coming up with   
   weird “facts” (“Greek is actually a combination of four other   
   languages”)   
   that left me baffled. I said let’s look this stuff up together, and they   
   said OK, I’ll open a search bar, and they opened … Ch*tGPT. And I was like   
   “this is not a search bar” and they were like “yes it is, you can search   
   for anything in here”.   
      
        The thing that made me feel crazy is like, every kid that’s using this   
   as a browser is getting new bespoke false “facts”. This isn’t “a   
   widespread misconception about X that stems from how it’s taught in   
   schools.” Each individual kid is now hooked into a Nonsense Machine.   
      
        With the “widespread misconception about X” you can start at a   
   baseline. Like, OK, in tenth grade we talk about X thing from history, and   
   that leaves us with some misguided concepts about X, but we can correct   
   that as students get broader understandings of the world. But with this,   
   each child is getting unique wrong facts they are sure are correct …   
   because they did what we told them to do! They “looked it up”! They got it   
   from somewhere! It’s not a kid making up a belief on hearsay and   
   assumption … it’s something they think they learned.   
      
        This kid was extremely combative with me, and I understood why. I was   
   sitting in front of him telling him that the internet, a computer,   
   technology, all these supposedly authoritative things … were wrong. And   
   that I, one person, was right. He basically couldn’t believe me. He   
   decided that I was simply a teacher who’d made a mistake. He could check   
   it, after all! He could look it up! He could find the real facts. I   
   obviously hadn’t done that, I was just an adult who’d decided I was   
   smarter than him. Hence the defensiveness. Like I said: I understood.   
      
        It was so fucking rough. I did my best, but I am one person trying to   
   work against a campaign of misinformation so vast that it fucking   
   terrifies me. This kid is being set up for a life lived entirely inside   
   the hall of mirrors.   
      
   Transcribed from Twitter. The author took it down because of harassment,   
   so I am not going to point to who they were. Not that I know anything   
   about them anyway. So you have to make your own tricky call about whether   
   and how it is relevant.   
      
   https://miniver.blogspot.com/2024/07/ai-students-and-epistemic-crisis.html   
   .   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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