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On Thu, 11 Jul 2024, Richmond wrote:
> D writes:
>
>> But do note, that even in the case of the unconscious, the content
>> comes from the physical world, since we are beings in the physical
>> world, consisting of matter.
>
> Yes but you don't know that directly because you don't know what the
> physical world is directly, no one does. We only have a model of it, and
> science only has a model of it too. Quarks, bosons, strings, quantum
> entanglement, it's all pretty weird isn't it? The world we live in is
> not that one, it's a subjective world where solid objects are really
> solid, without nutrionos flying through them.
Yes! But that is my entire point. Nothing can be conclusively proven if
you doubt everything. However, the physical worlds, and other people have
the highest amount of experiential proof, and the most coherence, so the
default assumption is the physical world, and any one who disagrees has
the burden of proof.
But I am not quarreling with solipsists and extreme skeptics, they are
true. If you doubt everything, nothing can be proven, not even yourself.
Yet, in their daily actions, they do tend to act as if the physical world
exist, and they deal with others in such a way (at least all I have met)
which to me, proves that they do in fact believe in the physical world.
On pragmatic grouns I think that they should just admit the physical
world, since the underlying substratum for them, makes no difference in
how they act. Their belief does not affect their behaviour or way of
interacting with the world in any way.
>>
>> So that doesn't work either unless you're a dualist, which also flies
>> in the face of physicalism/materialism.
>
> Perception of the world is a product of evolution.
We are a product of evolution, I agree.
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