From: x@x.org   
      
   On 7/12/24 02:52, D wrote:   
    >   
    >   
    > On Thu, 11 Jul 2024, x wrote:   
    >   
    >>> And ethics falls, and meaning too. But, a solipsist position is   
    >>> impossible to disprove, even though I argue, that the burden of proof   
    >>> lies on the solipsist to disprove the world, rather than for the world   
    >>> to disprove the solipsist.   
    >>   
    >> Everyone has different meanings of proof and disproof.   
    >>   
    >> Does the word 'proof' have meaning?   
    >   
    > For me, I think we can go with the scientific meaning of proof.   
    >   
    >> In theory, one could quote a bunch of philosophic   
    >> 'proofs' and 'disproofs', but is there really   
    >> agreement even among philosophers that they are   
    >> actually valid or invalid?   
    >   
    > In terms of proof, mathematical/logical proof and scientific criterias   
    > for proof are pretty undisputed.   
      
   I am thinking most physical laws are routinely disproven.   
      
   When it happens the words 'the law is a simplification'   
   or 'chaos' is used.   
      
   The reality however is that most people are trained   
   to reject the physical world or empiricism that way.   
      
   They become 'undisputed' because they are worshiped,   
   but they end up rejecting physics that way.   
      
   If you did not worship them, then you would notice   
   that they are violated all the time, and the words   
   'simplification' and 'chaos' are constantly used to   
   weasel out of seeing the actual observed world.   
      
   'Physical laws' are a belief system bolstered by   
   people claiming that they are never 'violated'.   
   But when people actually see objects falling in   
   non-simple, not easily predicted paths, then   
   they use words like 'chaos' or 'simplification'   
   to fit actual observations.  They BELIEVE they   
   can never be violated, so they actually gradually   
   are trained to reject observations.  They make   
   sure the words 'violated' are never used, and of   
   course teachers give low grades, and so students   
   will lie to get higher grades.   
      
   You are envious of this belief, and so you try   
   to use it to take advantage of it in your   
   arguments.   
      
   Nonetheless they always use the words 'chaos',   
   'simplification', and never use the words   
   'violated' to fit the data.  It is a very   
   subtle way of bolstering belief.   
      
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