From: dnomhcir@gmx.com   
      
   D  writes:   
      
   > Yes! But that is my entire point. Nothing can be conclusively proven   
   > if you doubt everything. However, the physical worlds, and other   
   > people have the highest amount of experiential proof, and the most   
   > coherence, so the default assumption is the physical world, and any   
   > one who disagrees has the burden of proof.   
      
   That isn't how science works. There aren't default assumptions. There   
   are the observed phenomena. You can doubt the origin of some   
   observation, but you cannot really doubt the observation. So I might   
   observe trails in a cloud chamber. I theorize they are caused by   
   electrons. I could doubt the theory, maybe they are caused by something   
   else, and I cannot observe the electrons directly. But I cannot doubt   
   the observed trail. Doubting observations is the way to madness.   
      
   >   
   > But I am not quarreling with solipsists and extreme skeptics, they are   
   > true. If you doubt everything, nothing can be proven, not even   
   > yourself.   
      
   I don't know any such people.   
      
   > Yet, in their daily actions, they do tend to act as if the physical   
   > world exist, and they deal with others in such a way (at least all I   
   > have met) which to me, proves that they do in fact believe in the   
   > physical world.   
   >   
   > On pragmatic grouns I think that they should just admit the physical   
   > world, since the underlying substratum for them, makes no difference   
   > in how they act. Their belief does not affect their behaviour or way   
   > of interacting with the world in any way.   
   >   
      
   Where do you meet such people?   
      
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