From: oldernow@dev.null   
      
   On 2024-08-08, x  wrote:   
      
   >> Ah, but you see, either we have the world, or the world + x, where the x   
   >> factor is any type of idealist world or theory. St Occam teaches us not   
   >> to needlessly multiply complexities, so the world it is.   
   >>   
   >> Another approach is of course that the mind is based on matter. So   
   >> without the world, no mind. ;)   
   >   
   > This is speculation.   
   >   
   > Have you gotten rid of the world to test your theory?   
   >   
   > You are theorizing about the possibility of mindlessness,   
   > but ignoring that you are theorizing about it at the   
   > same time.   
   >   
   > It reduces back to oldernow's statement about 'arguments   
   > are mental phenomena'.   
   >   
   > I tend to like those pre-Socrates 'sophists' and those   
   > solipsists also, but it is a lot easier to reduce it to   
   > faulty reasoning.   
      
   I get the feeling reasoning is faulty except when admitting   
   it's faulty.   
      
   Said another way, attempting to cram  into   
   concepts and remain perpetually dissatisfied with the   
   result(s) is the only seeming problem there's ever   
   seemingly been.   
      
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