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|    Ed Cryer to All    |
|    If a tree falls ......    |
|    01 Feb 25 14:53:43    |
      From: ed@somewhere.in.the.uk              I should think that anyone at all perusing a philosophy forum will       recognise the maxim in the title. If a tree falls in a Siberian forest       and there's no one around to hear it, does it make a noise?       They'll also recognise the standard reply. Falling trees cause       vibrations in the air, which impact on eardrums and produce the       perception of sound in the mind. No ears, no sound.              This is, of course, the main entry point into phenomenalism (what George       Berkeley termed "empirical idealism").       I believe that today realism rules the roost. But I'm not sure just why.              Does anyone know of any knockout arguments in favour of metaphysical       realism?              Ed              There once was a man who said "God       Must think it exceedingly odd       If he finds that this tree       Continues to be       When there's no one about in the Quad."                     Dear Sir,        Your astonishment's odd.       I am always about in the Quad.       And that's why the tree       Will continue to be       Since observed by        Yours faithfully,        God              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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