XPost: alt.usage.english   
   From: hayesstw@telkomsa.net   
      
   On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 19:03:56 +0000, Ed Cryer    
   wrote:   
      
   >Steve Hayes wrote:   
   >> On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 21:06:50 +0000, Ed Cryer    
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>> Remember that philosophy is not science. Those two disciplines use   
   >>> different methods of attack?   
   >>   
   >> But what in English is now called "science" was once known as "natural   
   >> philosophy",   
   >>   
   >>   
   >   
   >Quite so, but today they are separate; to the extent that "the   
   >philosophy of science" is a big subject.   
      
   Yes, but other languages do not make such a distinction, and this   
   causes problems in translation.   
      
   People who speak English as a second language often speak of   
   "scientific papers" where native speakers would say "ascademic" pr   
   "scholarly" papers. German has "wissenschaft" and Russian has "nauka"   
   where English has several different words with different connotations.   
      
   So the distinction between philosophy and science appears much more   
   rigid to English speakers than it does to speakers of other languages,   
   and can sometimes lead to misunderstandings. On the other hand, it can   
   also lead to pseudo-academic bullshit masquerading as "science" (in   
   the English sense).   
      
      
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