From: nospam@example.net   
      
   On Mon, 10 Feb 2025, Ed Cryer wrote:   
      
   > oldernow wrote:   
   >> There's seemingly a world of a thousand or so objects   
   >> associated with words/names, but one of them is    
   >> taken to be an object, to which all the other objects   
   >> appear, and it's a neat, tight, self-sustaining feedback   
   >> loop reinforced by any/all thoughts, because all those   
   >> seeming objects are merely thoughts, as it the seeming   
   >> individual object taken to be subject to the other objects.   
   >>   
   >   
   > "Enlightenment" has been highjacked; it was co-opted by the great 18th c.   
   > thinkers to cover what they experienced - the throwing-off of the shackles of   
   > religion and superstition; and to live under the light of reason.   
   >   
   > Or you might quote one of Friedrich Nietzsche's hymns to the arrival of the   
   > "great noonday".   
   >   
   > I suppose these days it might ring loud for someone who's cast off the   
   > cloying chains of a trapped existence, and lived to see the gifts.   
   >   
   > Ed   
      
   I'll go with Wittgenstein on this one. "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof   
   one must be silent".   
      
   Enlightenment is a depply subjective experience, and thus ultimately   
   meaningless to talk about. Sure, it can be beautiful poetry,   
   inspirational, and you might be able to show the way by pointing to   
   specific techniques or drugs to induce the experience. But the experience   
   itself, is always limited to yourself, and thus meaningless to anyone   
   else.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)