From: ed@somewhere.in.the.uk   
      
   D wrote:   
   >   
   >   
   > On Mon, 10 Feb 2025, Ed Cryer wrote:   
   >   
   >> oldernow wrote:   
   >>> There's seemingly a world of a thousand or so objects   
   >>> associated with words/names, but one of them is    
   >>> taken to be an object, to which all the other objects   
   >>> appear, and it's a neat, tight, self-sustaining feedback   
   >>> loop reinforced by any/all thoughts, because all those   
   >>> seeming objects are merely thoughts, as it the seeming   
   >>> individual object taken to be subject to the other objects.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> "Enlightenment" has been highjacked; it was co-opted by the great 18th   
   >> c. thinkers to cover what they experienced - the throwing-off of the   
   >> shackles of religion and superstition; and to live under the light of   
   >> reason.   
   >>   
   >> Or you might quote one of Friedrich Nietzsche's hymns to the arrival   
   >> of the "great noonday".   
   >>   
   >> I suppose these days it might ring loud for someone who's cast off the   
   >> cloying chains of a trapped existence, and lived to see the gifts.   
   >>   
   >> Ed   
   >   
   > I'll go with Wittgenstein on this one. "Whereof one cannot speak,   
   > thereof one must be silent".   
   >   
   > Enlightenment is a depply subjective experience, and thus ultimately   
   > meaningless to talk about. Sure, it can be beautiful poetry,   
   > inspirational, and you might be able to show the way by pointing to   
   > specific techniques or drugs to induce the experience. But the   
   > experience itself, is always limited to yourself, and thus meaningless   
   > to anyone else.   
   >   
      
   What can't be spoken of?   
   Try me. I have the gift of the Blarney.   
      
   Ed   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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