From: nospam@example.net   
      
   On Mon, 10 Mar 2025, oldernow wrote:   
      
   > On 2025-03-10, D  wrote:   
   >   
   >> I agree! You are a wise man. Since our senses and minds   
   >> are limited, we can never know 100% of reality.   
   >   
   > Senses/minds are sounding rather dubious in the faculties   
   > department. Okay, "we can never know 100%", but could we   
   > at least know what the actual percentage value is so we   
   > can know whether we're wasting our time getting to know   
   > reality via senses/minds?   
   >   
   >> This is the truth, and proven by science!   
   >   
   > And you know such to be the truth proven by science   
   > via... senses/mind?   
      
   You are making the error of mixing up two different uses here. I did not   
   claim our senses and minds are unreliable and should not be trusted. I   
   claimed they are limited, as in limited resolution. I cannot physically   
   see an electron, therefore they are as far as we are concerned theoretical   
   structures that fit within a theoretical framework that makes good   
   predictions. Should replacing them with fnords result in better   
   predictions we are entitled to include fnords instead of electrons.   
      
   Science works because the world exists, and our senses do not deceive us   
   about this. This is a fact, and I recommend Moores here's a hand proof,   
   which is brilliant in its utter simplicity.   
      
   So when it comes to the external world, since it is the state you are in,   
   you must falsify it. This has not been done in 2500 years of philosophy or   
   science, which means currently, it is a fact.   
      
   Should someone falsify the external world, we acknowlege that and update   
   our models of the world.   
      
   > No wonder humans cherish circularity, what with it being   
   > the tail-chasing shape of mind!   
      
   No circularity at all, see above. =) Still waiting for the falsification   
   of the world.   
      
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