From: oldernow@dev.null   
      
   On 2025-03-11, D  wrote:   
      
   >> And you know such to be the truth proven by science   
   >> via... senses/mind?   
   >   
   > You are making the error of mixing up two different uses here.   
      
   The seemingly error exists in the context of what you   
   believe about varieties of uses. Remove that belief and,   
   poof, the error is gone.   
      
   > I did not claim our senses and minds are unreliable and   
   > should not be trusted. I claimed they are limited, as in   
   > limited resolution. I cannot physically see an electron,   
   > therefore they are as far as we are concerned theoretical   
   > structures that fit within a theoretical framework that   
   > makes good predictions. Should replacing them with fnords   
   > result in better predictions we are entitled to include   
   > fnords instead of electrons.   
      
   That posited somethings make sense in a mind context   
   of other posited somethings doesn't mean they exists   
   independently in some separate/external context.   
      
   > Science works because the world exists, and our senses do   
   > not deceive us about this.   
      
   Science hasn't even been able to make up its mind about   
   whether eggs are good/bad for me during my lifetime!   
      
   > This is a fact, and I recommend Moores here's a hand proof,   
   > which is brilliant in its utter simplicity.   
      
   I don't doubt science employs its hand to erect proof....   
      
   > No circularity at all, see above. =) Still waiting for   
   > the falsification of the world.   
      
   As if mere words could talk you out of your faith! ;-)   
      
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