From: oldernow@dev.null   
      
   On 2025-03-13, vallor  wrote:   
      
   >> Time/space are core notions of a modeling of an alleged external   
   >> reality. To seemingly experience time and space is to experience said   
   >> modeling as though more than merely modeling.   
   >   
   > How does one _not_ experience time?   
      
   By turning awareness from outward (EX-perience) to inward   
   (IN-spirience) - i.e. awareness back upon itself, which   
   deprives the illusion of being an experiencer the wind in   
   its sails, as it were, which takes all other conceptual   
   framework (i.e. representation/modeling) with it.   
      
   > Or regarding the "experiment" that "D" suggested:   
      
   FWIW, "D" is possessed by hallucinations of there being   
   an objective, external world. :-)   
      
   > how does one _not_ experience gravity on the Earth?   
   > Gravity is a very strict law of nature!   
      
   *One* cannot *not* experience gravity on the Earth,   
   because "one" (i.e. an experiencer), all not-experiencer   
   (i.e. all things/objects other than the experiencer), and   
   "experiencing" come together, or not at all.   
      
   In other words, the illusion is convincingly   
   complete. There's no piecemeal-ing it, i.e. there's   
   no being a body (which is an experience) that doesn't   
   experience time, space, gravity, laws of nature, and all   
   the rest of the endless blah blah of the conceptual model -   
   which model, by the way, responds to deeper inspection   
   by seemingly producing whatever makes sense to the   
   nature of the inspection for carrying with it subtle   
   anticipation. Whatever is seen by seeking magically   
   conforms to the seeker - being re-flection of the seeker.   
      
   Only in the absence of the illusion of being an experiencer   
   can the illusion of experiencing and illusion of the   
   experienced be absent.   
      
   It sounds/reads nonsensically convoluted because words   
   can't contain it, but merely hint at it in a way that can   
   trigger the non-verbal understanding (see how it can't be   
   said, i.e.  how nonsensical a verbal approach becomes?) in   
   those who've done the appropriate preparatory work.   
      
   Words can't contain what we are any more than a reflection   
   of a body could get up and walk away on its own....   
      
   --   
   NPC's dutifully ignored.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)