From: nospam@example.net   
      
   On Sat, 15 Mar 2025, Richmond wrote:   
      
   > D  writes:   
   >   
   >> On Sat, 15 Mar 2025, Richmond wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> D  writes:   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>> certain about the words you are reading, or the thoughts you are   
   >>>> thinking.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Why does doubting your senses mean that you doubt your thoughts? Are   
   >>> thoughts sensed? Where is the boundary between yourself, and the   
   >>> external world?   
   >>   
   >> It is rather the reverse actually. Why shouldn't you doubt your   
   >> thoughts, if you doubt your senses? If some evil demon messes with   
   >> your sensory input, he can just as well add thoughts to your thoughts,   
   >> or play all kinds of tricks with you.   
   >   
   > Doubt is a thought. But I know there are such things as   
   > hallucinations. Are there such things as hallucinated thoughts? What's   
   > the difference between an hallucinated thought and a real one?   
   >   
   > Senses are different from thoughts, we know that, as we can tell   
   > generally which things come from senses and which from thoughts.   
      
   Have you ever calculated wrong? Or didn't think out the implications of   
   your thoughts, or reached the wrong conclusion, only to realize later, oh,   
   that was not right, this is the right conclusion?   
      
   Examples of thinking gone wrong. Another way is if your sensory input is   
   messed with, that could be by rearranged electrons in your brain, and   
   since that can also be thoughts, the evil entity could also do that.   
      
   >>   
   >> Doubting one, and not the other is not consistent thinking.   
   >   
   > It is, just because you doubt one thing, it doesn't mean you have to   
   > doubt everything.   
      
   Can be. It depends on why you doubt. Generally doubting ones senses   
   implies that your thoughts also cannot be trusted if you believe in some   
   evil entity that has that power. It follows logically that it can   
   rearrange atoms on one level, it could equally rearrange electrons at   
   another location, that is in your brain.   
      
   If the entity is the one that runs the simulation, of which your brain is   
   a part, it means he can rearrange every single bit in every single memory   
   cell, to make an analogy from technology.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)