From: oldernow@dev.null   
      
   On 2025-03-14, D  wrote:   
      
   >> I know. All that's needed is the believe/faith that there   
   >> is such a thing.   
   >   
   > Nope. No faith necessary. I just open my eyes and there   
   > it is. Denying that opens one up to the refutation and   
   > collapse into eternal doubt and solipsism.   
      
   Any/all attempt to categorize/describe it covers it in a   
   delusion of concepts, hence thought and reflection being   
   synonymous. It's not a perfect analogy, but think of   
   the difference between being presence in the so-called   
   "here/now", and daydreaming. The latter seemingly has   
   objects and individuals and all the rest too. But then you   
   "snap out of it", and are back to here/now.   
      
   So called "enlightenment" is a more profound "snapping   
   out", because even the aforementioned "here/now" seemingly   
   being experienced by an individual is also, um, snap-able   
   out-able. It's more profound because the seeming individual   
   is "snapped out of" in addition to the objects that are   
   defined with respect to it.   
      
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